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Brundledonk

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I wasn't planning to do a build diary on this one, but I have been a little lacking in detailing my build of the Ju-88 in the group build, this was purely because I was worried that my build threads were dragging on a little bit and I was concerned that this might be getting a bit boring, so I thought that by condensing things down it would make things a little easier to read through, but I have had a couple of questions regarding the weathering on the cockpit and as its nearly finished on that model, I can document the process on this kit as the techniques and colours I use will be exactly the same.

This is where I am on this at the moment, I'm trying to assemble as much of the cockpit as I can without causing problems when I come to paint it, there is a fair bit still to go in, but it's not as detailed as the Ju-88, I'm not adding any aftermarket to this one, but I will be adding some scratchbuilt details, all I have done so far is scribe a line between the doors at the rear of the pit as the kit has it as one piece, I could have removed the doors to allow a view into the bomb bay, but I couldn't be arsed lol
20150210_123741 by brundledonk, on Flickr

I'm adding the bulkheads to the inside of the fuselage so I can get the internals sprayed up
20150210_123731 by brundledonk, on Flickr

I have added the windows at this point too, it would be easier to spray then put them in, but this would mean using PVA and although quite strong, I have had an experience in the past where I managed to push a window into the fuselage after the halves had been glued together, and as these fit from the inside if it happens on this build I ain't gonna get it back in ! So doing it before painting means I can use Mr cement S to get a decent bond
20150210_123819 by brundledonk, on Flickr
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Of course gluing the windows in before paint means I need to mask them, no problem (or so I thought) I've got Eduard masks for this
3 sheets in total, there is a huge amount of glass on this puppy
20150210_124426 by brundledonk, on Flickr

The fit of some of these isn't great, they don't seem tall enough to me, but what I did was line them up with the bottom edge of the frame
The bump in the 2nd window from the right is a hole for a machine gun
20150210_123802 by brundledonk, on Flickr

So far the rest of the masks for the fuselage windows have fitted a treat, but here's a thing the Eduard mask set only includes masks for the external face of the windows, i can understand them doing this for regular cockpit glazing and jet canopies as these can be glued on to protect the inside face, but for fuselage windows its a joke, it means I have to hand mask the insides, and while this is not the end of the world, it's still a PITA as the corners of the glazing are curved.
Rant mode activated: come on Eduard sort yourselves out, I bought a masking set to make things a little easier, how hard would it have been to add the masking for the internal fuselage windows ? I would gladly pay an extra couple of quid for this, but they should be on there ITS A MASKING SET ! :rant mode deactivated

This won't be a 5 minute job, there is a ton to be done, these side ones are tricky due to the corners, but the little ones will be a horse of a mare !
20150210_131707 by brundledonk, on Flickr
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So there's where we're at, I'm not relishing the masking ahead but I'm hofping to get a start on painting the cockpit tomorrow

Cheers me dears

Pete

Edit : I can see those pin marks in the fuselage in that last pic too, but I'm leaving them as they are, my hands are proper messed up just now and it's taken an age to get the kit to this point, anyone who sees this in the flesh and bothers to look inside and then point them out will get a carrier deck upside their head !

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Looking good, and huge, looks like a beast.
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I see you have found a new use for the carrier deck. "Rivet counter behavioral adjustment device" or RCBAD for short. LOL. Looking good so far. Shame on the mask set not providing internal masks. Though at least eduard is consistent in that they never provide masks for the inside. Though I wonder if the masks that were a little small on the outside might fit better on the inside. Like I said in the other thread. Hope your hand feels better. This masking and cockpit work has to be even more difficult with hand issues.

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You said "Rant mode activated: come on Eduard sort yourselves out, I bought a masking set to make things a little easier, how hard would it have been to add the masking for the internal fuselage windows ? I would gladly pay an extra couple of quid for this, but they should be on there ITS A MASKING SET ! :rant mode deactivated "

Totally agree. If any side of a window is in the firing line of paint, it needs a mask, it's a mask set, finish the set Eduard!
Have you finished the masks Pete? Would liquid masking the inside windows work? That's probably what I would've done. lol I love the stuff.


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Looking good, and huge, looks like a beast.


Thanks Ken, it is a bit of a beast, I imagine it will take a fair bit of paint to cover the acres of plastic.

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I see you have found a new use for the carrier deck. "Rivet counter behavioral adjustment device" or RCBAD for short. LOL. Looking good so far. Shame on the mask set not providing internal masks. Though at least eduard is consistent in that they never provide masks for the inside. Though I wonder if the masks that were a little small on the outside might fit better on the inside. Like I said in the other thread. Hope your hand feels better. This masking and cockpit work has to be even more difficult with hand issues.

Kenny


Lol, RCBAD i like that !

I must admit I have used a few of these masking sets over the years and have never seen internal masks supplied, but I did think they would be supplied for the insides of the fuselage windows on this one, I wish I had looked at the instructions for the masks before I glued the windows in, but I was focussing on making sure I got them well glued in.

I have been doing a little bit of research on this plane and it looks like the two foward windows on each side over the wing, were painted out, this is good and bad news, it's good because I can use the 4 masks to cover the insides of the rear side windows, but bad news that not much of the bomb bay will be visible after its finished.

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You said "Rant mode activated: come on Eduard sort yourselves out, I bought a masking set to make things a little easier, how hard would it have been to add the masking for the internal fuselage windows ? I would gladly pay an extra couple of quid for this, but they should be on there ITS A MASKING SET ! :rant mode deactivated "

Totally agree. If any side of a window is in the firing line of paint, it needs a mask, it's a mask set, finish the set Eduard!
Have you finished the masks Pete? Would liquid masking the inside windows work? That's probably what I would've done. lol I love the stuff.



When you think of how much tiny detail they give you in their etch sets (some of which can't be seen after its finished) they should give the extra masks, Montex masks give internal and external with their sets, but I don't like the vinyl material they are made of.

No,still got loads of masking to do, I did think of trying masking fluid, but I can never get a clean edge when I use it

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You said "Rant mode activated: come on Eduard sort yourselves out, I bought a masking set to make things a little easier, how hard would it have been to add the masking for the internal fuselage windows ? I would gladly pay an extra couple of quid for this, but they should be on there ITS A MASKING SET ! :rant mode deactivated "

Totally agree. If any side of a window is in the firing line of paint, it needs a mask, it's a mask set, finish the set Eduard!
Have you finished the masks Pete? Would liquid masking the inside windows work? That's probably what I would've done. lol I love the stuff.

When you think of how much tiny detail they give you in their etch sets (some of which can't be seen after its finished) they should give the extra masks, Montex masks give internal and external with their sets, but I don't like the vinyl material they are made of. No,still got loads of masking to do, I did think of trying masking fluid, but I can never get a clean edge when I use it Pete


Yeah that is the liquids biggest drawback, it can be a pain.

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Right, onwards and upwards.

I did a quick bit of research and it does appear that the 2 windows on either side of the fuselage over the wing, are access panels or at least the windows painted over, the markings scheme I am going to do definitely has this as decals go right over these windows. Good job too, look at those pin marks !
20150211_125702 by brundledonk, on Flickr
This has meant that I could use the masks for the forward windows on the inside of the rear ones
20150211_125707 by brundledonk, on Flickr

I have decided to use the pilots from the Hasegawa Stuka in this kit instead of the JU-88, it will help,to hide the lack of detail in this one, the other kit will be plenty busy enough in the cockpit and I have seatbelts for that one too, whereas this one would need some made
The pilot is a little wide to fit into the seat
20150211_132717 by brundledonk, on Flickr
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Ironically he would fit in the Ju-88 seat just fine ! The fuzzy detail on his right leg is where I have begun sanding him down, the moulding is pretty good on these
20150211_132948 by brundledonk, on Flickr

A sanding cutting and jolly good attack with a file combo got his backside to fit in the end
20150211_140133 by brundledonk, on Flickr

You can see how nice the detail is on the torso
20150211_132731 by brundledonk, on Flickr

I had previously fitted one of the sidewalls, but after a bit of a dry fit decided I could get away with fitting both and still be able to reach in with a brush afterwards for detail painting
20150211_140200 by brundledonk, on Flickr
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I remembered that I had some etched rudder pedals left over from the Me-262, so this were quickly press ganged into service
20150211_145540 by brundledonk, on Flickr

There we go, much better than the kit ones ! ( well I'm guessing they are because I didn't even bother looking for the kit ones lol !)
20150211_145940 by brundledonk, on Flickr

Torso glued on, and a quick dry fit mit der pilot und der cockpitten!
20150211_150709 by brundledonk, on Flickr
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Not too shabby methinks !

What was a nice surprise was that the feet reached the pedals without me having to resort to amputation ! And that simply wouldn't be cricket old bean !
20150211_150723 by brundledonk, on Flickr

I haven't negected the other little guy either, he fits nicely in the right hand seat, although he does look like he's sitting on the potty to me !
Maybe he's pooping himself because he heard the word Amputation !
20150211_151814 by brundledonk, on Flickr
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Right then, I can't muck about now chaps I need to try and get some paint on the cockpit parts, I'll go straight down to the Petecave and get on it as soon as I have typed this sentence.

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