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Dangermouse

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Those seams look nasty in the photos. Why are manufacturers making silly mistakes like this ?
I'm sure it will be no problem for you Fabian, but still it's not needed...particularly when you look at the prices of some models kits.

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Haha, thanks but I'm fine. Cold beer next to me :-)

While paint was drying I started on the wings. Nice fit and the cool thing... the move :-)




All very cool but I have two questions you guys can maybe help with?
1) painting those wings will be difficult because there is alway one part covered by the wing roots, no matter what position I put them. Maybe I should paint them before?
2) There is the option to put drop tanks under the wings. Well, it's not really a option according to Trumpeter as they already drilled the holes in the wings :-/. So my question: how does this work on the real MIG, do the drop tanks counter sweep when the wings are moving? Or can't you move the wings with drop tanks on and if so can they drop them with the pylons? Not very important, just wondering :-)
Thanks for looking.

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Reply with quote  #33 
wing mounted pylons on swing wings do the counter swing to remain straight with the fuselage [smile]

I suggest paint the wings first before assembly [wink]

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Very cool kit Fabian ( love the cockpit colour ! )

Paul beat me to it, but he's right the pylons adjust with the sweep angle of the wing

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Great progress Fabian. Following this one with a lot of interest. There are a lot of kits that on which I would like to get my hands dirty. This is certainly one of them.

Being aware of your skils, this will be a build manual for me some day [wink]

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You're making some good progress, really like this plane!

I'm not so sure about that the Flogger can swivel the outer hard points!? Don't remember the source but I did some research on the aircraft a while back and if I remember correctly only the MLD version had that capability.

I will try to see if I can find that info

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I may have to break down and get some caramel popcorn. Sticks on the teeth but what the hey---I can sand it off, right? nice cockpit detail and color Fabian. very nice!
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You're making some good progress, really like this plane!

I'm not so sure about that the Flogger can swivel the outer hard points!? Don't remember the source but I did some research on the aircraft a while back and if I remember correctly only the MLD version had that capability.

I will try to see if I can find that info


You are quite right Daniel the Mig 23 has fixed pylons on the wings, I just googled it and they can't sweep the wings with stores fitted.

If it was a a Tornado then it would be no problem lol

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You are quite right Daniel the Mig 23 has fixed pylons on the wings, I just googled it and they can't sweep the wings with stores fitted. If it was a a Tornado then it would be no problem lol Pete


Oh, good I looked everywhere for the book but didn't find it so it must have been one from the library.

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Can they drop the fuel tanks if they need to fly faster I wonder ?
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Found this post on The Aviation Forum

"on MiG-23/27 series the pylons under the movable part of the wing are FIXED, they don't rotate like on Su-24 or F-111, those pylons are for PTB-800 fuel tanks ONLY and when those underwing tanks are fitted the entire flight must be made with the wing on 16 deg position. You should regard those underwing tanks as designed for long ferry flights, not for combat, for example all soviet Floggers when they left East Germany and Poland were fitted with three tanks.

With underwing tanks and wing 16 deg the airplane is restricted to Mach 0.8. The underwing tanks can be dropped together with the pylons and the pilot is then free to change wing sweep. Also, if the a/c is to land with underwing tanks the landing must be made with the flaps on takeoff (25 deg) position instead of 50 deg LAND pos, because there is not enough clearance for the flaps because of the tanks. All this results clearly from MiG-23UB/ML practical aerodynamics, pages 183-184.

The real COMBAT fuel tank is the underfuselage tank, is also 800 liters. With this tank the aircraft is allowed to fly with the wing 16 deg with the same restrictions as above, BUT also to fly with the wing 45 deg, with restriction 1000 kmph IAS or for a maximum Mach of 1.6, the manual says because of the deterioration of lateral static stability margin. Flight with underfuselage tank and wing 72 deg is not allowed."

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Brave test pilots who find this stuff out the hard way ! [biggrin]

interesting info though [smile]

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Thank you very much guys for all the reactions, you're great! And thanks for the information Daniel, I want to display here with swept back wings so the holes for the pylons have to go :-)
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All I can say is it's Thermo Nuclear...that's a really big reaction!

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