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Thatmas

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Now top of another wing has been re-scribed. This was much easier than the fuselage, because this was totally flat and the raised panel lines were there to support my scribing, although some must omit and some new had to scribe. I couldn't get proper picture, but here is what I managed to get beside original wing:
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I used uttermost panel-lines as they were and I also used the same template than in English Electric Lightning, but accidentally scribed it too low.. and after I noticed that I remembered how good the Tamiya glue was destroying my scribings. That worked quite well and only needed little super glue to finish it off. I also filed the wing tip flat or more to real thing..
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I re scribed the wings underside and hence I have done 50% of the re scribing needed for this BAC Lightning (old). I was thinking what I should do to make these scribings more visible to camera. I thought pigments could be the answer, but those only got everything messed up and it was quite difficult to wash and ultimately sand away. The next thing I tried was Flory models weathering wash. It worked much better and here is the result:

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Underside of the wing was much harder to do since there was no panel lines to help. I took three view picture the from Internet and deviated from that so it met my taste. Somewhere during scribing or messing around with pigments and wash some of the filling was letting me down, perhaps because there was air trapped beneath the putty, this must be corrected at later state. Perhaps I also add some panels to it when I have done all re scribing..

[P3130002-800] 
Here is new picture from top of the same wing (same wing as in post in above) with weathering wash to help to see panels.
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nice progress! when we see the pictures of the filling and mods and everything you do, THEN we see the finished kit and it means a LOT more. thanks for posting your trials, tribulations, and triumphs!
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Because I started a little late and I have to have at least something ready the new mold (English Electric Lightning) also needs some attention. And besides I need something else to do than scribing. The next thing is to get all the components that goes inside of the fuselage. There are several ejection pin marks in exhaust and in engine intake and front wheel well which needs to be taken rid of. Those that are deeper are likely not to be seen, but I do those anyway.
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There is exhaust and one punched styrene that is going into one ejector pin marks.



I tried thee different kind of filling: Not to fill at all, just sand until ejector pin marks are not shown. This makes a dent although shallow and quiet in large area if you like but anyway. Another is to fill with MrSurfacer 500 or another liquid filler and sand it down after that. And toe third one is to make styrene disks that will fit to marks and file it down.
[exhaust-800] The filled version with all different filling options. Most easy way and the fastest is the first one, where you just sand until ejector pin mark is not seen anymore. The other two are quite the same as you must do three MrSurfacer rounds before sanding and the filling with styrene, where the sanding is more difficult but it can be done about immediately. You could also do that with super glue, but I think there is worst of both: you have to do several layers and it is harder to sand than MrSurfacer. The end result is the same with all techniques.

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Ejector pin marks shown in front wheel well.

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The front wheel well is done with styrene disks.

[Filled_intakes-800]
Intakes done with MrSurfacer 500.

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thanks for showing and comparing all those options for the injector pin marks--NEVER thought of making the discs! great tip. what kind of punch to you have?? I have a leather punch but few options for the circles it cuts. can't find anything at the hobby/craft store to use in its place.do you use individual punches and a tap [small hammer??] thanks!
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I have Profimodeller Punch & Die set. It was relatively affordable set and it have suitable sizes for me.
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Other alternatives were more expensive and the punch sizes were over and under 1mm ant this had them both (numbers in that are diameter in mm). I abuse my Leatherman to punch these or use full size hammer (with which I cut pieces of underside metal..)

Very little progress today:

[Painted_insides-800]
All the insides were painted with Tamiya flat aluminium XF-16
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Something that no one will see: Weathering the insides of exhaust.
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Tamiya Weathering set D  

[Exhaust_inside-800]
And some more: Some soldering lead to exhaust, it makes quite realistic effect as you look from behind into the exhausts. 10 pcs 0,56mm lead sticks to one half exhaust seems to be sufficient.. Some gluing still requited to finish this off.
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First of all, thanks for showing that punch kit. looks like what I have been trying to find for a good while. the work you are doing is giving me all kinds of ideas and tips to use--excellent!! thank you for all the images and diary work.
note: regarding the interior exhaust weathering, we will see it here, And you will always KNOW that it is present in the build.I think that we all do things that only we know about in a build, and we grin when we talk about it later, as if we have played a trick on the viewers.at least that is the way I feel...satisfaction is worth a lot of "hidden" work--enjoy!

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Yes you can see those, but I can't get pictures and quite few takes a look to exhaust/intake. Sometimes than I get too carried away with everything that can't be clearly seen and when the plane is ready there will be some 'hangover' about those things that can't be seen and how many models I could have done with that work. It is fun to do and I think that's all about in hobby. Fewer models but as much fun perhaps. With my normal building rate I'll never get all my stash done even if I never buy a new model again, but I think it's quite common. And it's very interesting to see what I build next from the stash. For example BAC Lightning (old) in this was one that was doomed not to be ever being built, but here it is under construction after all.

[Exahust_inside_ready-800]
Here are all lead glued in place, I think that Airfixes suggested nose weight isn't enough to compensate this.

[Exhaust_parts_intake_parts-800] 
Everything that goes to intake or exhaust ready to assemble. Everything is painted with XF-16 and afterburner is first painted with X-1 Black. Weathering is done with MIG Dark wash and some MIG gun metal pigment is used to burner cans. You must be really careful with wash because you can't wipe it off or underlaying paint will also came off (as I haven't glosscoated these).
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"...........when the plane is ready there will be some 'hangover' about those things that can't be seen and how many models I could have done with that work....."   If you look at my builds I do exactly the same thing, I get fanatical about details that won't be seen clearly. In my mind, I just "want" to see if I can do it--if I can create the "effect". I have seen other modelers do builds with hidden details that will NEVER be viewed. I think we get a lot of satisfaction out of creating the detail and its a personal thing? besides, it gives me ideas on how to do that work, and it means a lot to me. Your build is really moving along and I am enjoying everything you are sharing with us.thanks!

btw--on my bench I have one of those small, single LED pocket lights with a flexible neck. I use it to look into areas that I can't really photograph well and say to myself, "OMG, look what I did!!"
I know that judges use these type of lights at shows to see better inside cockpits, intakes, wheel wells, exhausts, etc. they look for that obscure detail and judge modelers/models on it.


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Jeez scribing the entire aircraft! re scribing is definitely Not one of my favorite things, my build is all raised panel lines, I'm just going to work around them seen as It's 1/72

My Hat is definitely off to you [thumb]

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Thatmas!
Just read whole Topic and all I can say - fantastic effort! Love your scratch details here and there - keep it up! Thanks for sharing your's technics!

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Thatmas

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Thanks for your comments! I have to let you down today as I have fewer. So I only represent my reference material.. I have some serious  doubts about Scale Aircraft Modellers scale drawings however at this point.. let's see  how I think after more study. The other thing is that I'm going to do is decide what color scheme I use (as you might have noticed I haven't yet shown the decals). 

[Reference_material-800]

As F.2A was used only in no.19 and no.92 squadron and the decals in the EE (new) Lightning box are done by Cartograf I think I'll go with either of those suggested in the box. Although XN734 was overwing fueltank testbed with white bands in wings... The F.3 has more options, I would perhaps liked to do colorful with aluminum finish, but that requires perfect surface. The other one which I like is standard green/gray scheme, but perhaps I'll wait for Airfix F.6 as there will be that one by the fact that underside fueltank forward section is in separated parts.. we'll see.
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Reply with quote  #29 
I enjoy seeing anything that a modeler includes in a build thread. Each thing is a clue to how you do the build, how you were inspired, resources, images, etc. don't worry about what, when, and why. We will be here to encourage you as you go along at your pace and include what you want to share. Best wishes always!
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After I studied my references I wanted to know more about this aircraft, so I ordered English Electric Lightning by Tim McLelland. And If my rescribing is adequate I'll think that my F.3 receives paint scheme that is in that cover..

Here is something I have done, trying to make up yesterday:
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The copper wire ones beside kits ejection handles.

[Seat_in_place-800] 
Here is the replaced handles in place. I had some more in-progress pictures, but they are missing I couldn't find those anywhere. So here are the results with both ejection seats:
[Seats_front-800]

On the left side BAC (old) Lightnings seat (with some added detail from styrene and soldering lead) an on the right side is EE (new) Lightnings ejection seat. Painted with Lifecolor paints and added some MIG dark wash.

[Seats_top-800] 
Picture from top side of the seats, same description as above. I'm going to add pilots to the seats so I don't do any more details for the seats.


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