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Thatmas

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[Wing_right_start-800]
There were too much wire on the first wing, so I decided to reduce the amount of wire and add some other detail shown in gear bays.

[Wing_right_detail-800] 
Everything is done same manner as with the first wing, first the holes are made and the wires are put in place, next the liquid glue then super glue. This time I made some structures from styrene sheet with punch & die set.

[Wing_right_more_detail-800] 
Much less wires, although more realistic..
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I think that it is simpler to paint wheel wells before I close the wing halves together. Wheelwells has some yellow tint in them that I'm going to reproduce...

[Wings_black_base-800] 
As I decided to use Alclad I painted suggested black base.

[Wings_inside_painted-800]
I used gold titanium, but  it wasn't yellow enough, so I painted thin layer with clear yellow. In pictures those shows quite different than in reality because the paint is so reflective. I'm quite pleased with the result.

[Wings_inside_weathered-800] 
Dark MIG wash  was used in weathering, details came out nicely.
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Next details that can be added must be done after landing gear struts are in place i.e at quite late state. So this is right time to close wing halves.

[Wing_trailing_edge_text-800] 
The wings trailing edges are thinned down from inside. I took material off until it was sharp enough, it can't be seen really good on picture through. 

[Wing_with_clamps_text-800] 
Wings are glued together and some clamps are used. I acquired new clamps (Berena Multiclamp) from local model shop. They make a firm grip that doesn't slip, but because there is only one rod it can't get hold if parts are uneven. I'll have to practice using these to get the most out of them. Classic reversed clothespin is still very good on holding parts together. I really like those long clamps, but I couldn't find them anywhere anymore and I have lost my other from two! 
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After EE Lightning F.2A (new) had good start it is time to return re scribing BAC Lightning F.Mk3 and do some catchup. I received Lightning book (Tim McLelland) and it had scale drawings that are rather right in my opinion. If I had had this before I would have gone with these panels, although they are somewhat similar to that I made. I haven't read the book  yet, but it seems to be interesting. The book is divided in seven chapters and after those there is appendices that contains brief history of airframes, some walk around pictures, four-view pictures and some pages from maintenance manual. The pictures seems to be good quality and there are many sideprofiles for those who likes them. The only negative thing that came into mind was that the font was quite small and it makes reading a little bit laborious.

[book-800] 
The side profile is quite right in old Lightning if you compare it with picture from Tim McLellands book. The forward fuselage is bigger or has bigger diameter. I'm not going to mess with that because I think that you'll recognize that for Lightning after all..

[Spine_scribing-800] 
To have panels that goes over the spine I didn't solely trust my measuring. The best way to get panel lines to meet properly is to put fuselage halves together and scribe then, the I think.

[Wrong_lines-800] 
Some errors were made, this was not in square, but it was corrected with liquid cement and super glue. 

[MAin_panel_lines_right_scribed-800] 
The right side of the fuselage has most of the panel lines that are on the right side, so I just take measurements from there and scribed those to the same places with same tools and tactics as before.
 
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that is nice scribing work! thanks for the pictures. some builders talk about it but never show images of the process.

SO....... what I am going to do is mail you my builds, you will scribe them, and then mail them back to me.....are my mind powers working??

I didn't think so......bummer.

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TedUSA: No, I'm afraid your mind powers are not working. This is not my favorite work in modelling and postage would probably so high that you'll also would have to own some telekinetic powers too to make it work [wink] Taking the pictures and putting them to posts takes time from building itself, but I try to make this thread like what I liked to read (although I haven't..) like everyone.

I really, now than I have rescribed about half of the model, thought to do this smoothie. But it is too late for now and would it be fun to follow this thread at all if there isn't something in it? And this is very teaching for me as just rescribing some old model where you have no pressure would perhaps just leave the model somewhere dusting when it isn't fun anymore.. I'll thing the timetable is a bit tight though..

[Access_panel_Scribing-800] 
Now that the main panels are in place it's time to do some maintenance panels for right side. I took those from my new book and of course looked from other resources (photos) also, but there is quite good picture in appendices that shows those panels.

[Access_panels_scribed-800] 
I used Verlinden photo-etched template to do access panels. The template was taped to the right place with masking tape so it doesn't slip too easily. I used a little dulled pin attached to scalpel handle as the scribing tool is meant for straight lines. In these way the line is much narrower, so I have to use scriber to do the lines evenly broad. This is much slower than doing just long lines but the determining the location is much simpler.
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Lastly I make the most complex panel which is quite prominent and could not be overlooked. The panel under/behind the canopy. I decided to make a template again to make this access panel. 

[Copied_styrene-800] 
First I copied the scale drawing from Tim MCLellands book and cut the panel out from copy (in vain..). Then I taped it down on 0.3mm styrene sheet and cut it again.

[Template_in_place-800] 
After that I taped the styrene sheet to model and scribed it with pin (and sanded and scribed etc).

[panel_ready-800] 
I totally screwed it up, panel moved as I scribed and it was not straight anymore, and I had to make scribing again after I had filled and made it again and it took time. Luckily on the right side it went ok on first time.. (side that is in focus)
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Pheeeew its making me dizzy just thinking of all that work on 1/72 scale, cant wait to see this finished
Thx for pics
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I really appreciate seeing the steps in the process of creating the "template" for the panel. "Best laid plans of mice and men" go haywire sometimes. its going to be GREAT once all the model building demons have been scared off. The detail is really nice and you have worked hard to bring it out. you shall reap the reward!
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Gr4h4m: I'm not fan of scribing, but there is less scribing in 1/72 the in 1/48.. [wink] I think this tool that I use could be better.. so I ordered Scriber R along with rivet tool for future purposes as this one I have doesn't scribe the material off very well and that means more sanding/rescribing.

TedUSA: I'll really hope my scribing is good enough that I dare to go with natural metal one. The camouflage would hide mistakes quite well, I think.
  
[Fuselage_last_scribing-800] 
There is only small update since I didn't do anything more than tried to fill miss scribed scratches with super glue. After looking at the model and comparing that to the real thing I decided that I'll need at least one more detail in scribing... showed in between cable well and horizontal rudder.


[Fuselage_holes-800]
After that the last scribing thing I did the holes to the fuselage as required. Those must be blanked before I close the fuselage but those are shown nicely now in black. The panel lines in top and bottom fuselage are made after the fuselage halves are glued together.
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For an aspect of modeling that most of us loathe, you take it on quite well! I purchased one of the scribers you linked to. That stainless steel is so much stronger than it looks when you examine it the first time. I've used mine quite a bit but mostly the micro saw edge around curved edges. When I locked the pieces together and chucked them in a handle, I did not get the "base" of the parts into the top of the handle deep enough. Each time I tried to use that point to scribe normal lines, everything would pop apart! Soon discovered my error and corrected it. I still have not used the point for regular lines very much. It tests my patience and I grab another tool. Let us know how you like it please.
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TedUSA: Thanks! Scribing should be good if I do natural metal finish, I haven't decided it yet... I considered to acquire Tamiya P-cutter, but what I liked in my current scriber is that it reaches everywhere and with Tamiya tool you have to use something else in tight places. I'll let you know what I think of them as soon as those Scriber R:s come.

As the fuselage is scribed the next thing is another wing that hadn't already been scribed. I took measurements from another wing. Wing is much easier to scribe than fuselage and this went quite smoothly. No pictures from this as I don't want to mess up with washes this time.

But comparison with EE Lightning (new) and BAC Lightning continues (from here) these are almost last thing that I'll put on models, but here there are:

[Pitot_tubes_text-800]
Pitot tubes from Airfix Lightnings, new is about ok, but the old one is badly warped and quite thick.

[Missile_rails_text-800] 
Both missile rails have ejector pin marks, but other vice they are not comparative as you can see. The new ones are  made from two parts. The old had so deep ejector pin marks that I had to put MrSurfacer twice, so I couldn't file that down as in new one. In the new one the locator pins were too big and I had to file those away, so there must put some filler to the places that those should have gone... so both have still something to do.
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thanks for showing us the variations in the kit parts--very interesting.

I had also bought the large and smaller Tamiya P-cutters, but as you stated, still have to use somethig else for the tight areas. I use a dental tool quite a bit. will post picture when I am at my bench/computer.

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TedUSA: Sounds interesting, I look forward to see your scribing tools!

[Wings_underside-800] 
Lower wing half was again much harder than top side because it has filler in it and it is different material. Some filling still needed. I'm quite happy with my scribing this time. End of scribing of this model is near! Horizontal tail planes are next and last thing to do.. At least I can do something else before more scribing after that is needed.
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Here are the basic ones. I find that I use the dental tool with the singe tip quite a bit. really gets into small, tight areas easily. each tool has its use.



closeups of the business ends of the scribing tools.



I also had the black, SMALLER Tamiya scriber, but cannot find it!
Anyway, I have plenty of tools, but my skills are amateur at best. none of the tools are magic. they all require lots of practice, trial and error, etc.

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