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For an old kit there’s not a huge amount of flash, though there is some burring of the edges.  The plastic itself is surprisingly hard, taking a fair push with the sanding stick.  And that ridge is damn sharp, too!

 
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Those raised rivets, which seemed pretty cool to begin with, are a bit of a problem.  Even with minimal cleaning, I can’t escape losing some.  On the advice of some fellow Flory members I have ordered some HGW resin/decal rivet strips, to replace any lost details.


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There’s a few sink marks to take care off.  Not entirely unexpected for a kit of this age.  Even some modern kits occasionally suffer from this malady.

 
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This flat, insipid box is the nosewheel bay.  I’m definitely not leaving it like that, but I’m not sure yet what to do with it.  I can cut it out, and make it deeper, but the leg still needs to attach itself somehow to something.  I’ll have to ponder on that.

 
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Those blank areas on the lower wing surface now have some rivets, thanks to my trusty rivet wheel.  However, now I have ordered those resin ones I may place some in here, to keep the effect the same all over.

Silly me, I also started riveting the outer nacelle area too, before realising that part is totally enclosed!

 
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I did think that for a kit of five decades, wing halves of this size would almost certainly be warped by now, but no, they were still as straight as an arrow.

 
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And they fitted together really nicely.  Beautifully, in fact.  I’ve had more trouble with much newer kits.  Very little clean-up needed, and won’t need much more than a hint of filler, if any.

 
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To avoid any dramas later, when fitting the wings to an assembled fuselage, I did a dry run now, to see what problems I’m facing.  But top down it looks really good.  Not much more than a light skim of Perfect plastic putty and a wipe with a damp cotton bud will be needed here.

 
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Leading edge lines up great with the wing root.

 
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Trailing edge, however, has a slight misalignment.

 
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Easily and quickly cured with a slightly larger drill through the locating peg holes.  This gave me just the right amount of wiggle room.  The other side was similar, and also as easily fixed.

 
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Only under an optivizor can you see a small gap in the leading edge, but even so I used a dab of Mr Surfacer 1200.  Don’t really need it, to be honest, but it could come back later and bite me in the bum after painting if I don’t.

 
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The inner nacelle/wheel well.  Not pretty.  Ejector pin marks and no detail.  Have to do something about that.

 
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EPM’s sanded and filled with Revell plastic putty.  I really love this stuff.  It dries really quick, and sands down easily.

 
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Some Slaters bar stock next, for the internal ribbing.

 
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Aircraft manufacturers don’t throw rivets on the surface just to make pretty patterns, so the ribbing on the inside needs to follow the rivet lines on the outside.  I used the opposite side nacelle as a guide.

 
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And that’s a job that I can only do for short bursts, because it is decidedly fiddly!



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Great review of what you are finding with the kit. 1/72 always leaves me with a desire for more detail, and it looks like you feel the same, at the risk of “fiddly” work
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So far so good. Looks like you are enjoying your dream kit [smile]. Great start and very nice additions.
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Great review of what you are finding with the kit. 1/72 always leaves me with a desire for more detail, and it looks like you feel the same, at the risk of “fiddly” work


Yeah, I've always been a bit of a detail freak, even when I built them as a kid.  I once chopped up some copper fuse wire into tiny bits, and sprinkled them on the inside of a 1/48 B-17. to simulate spent cartridge cases.  Not sure I'll go that far this time, though!

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So far so good. Looks like you are enjoying your dream kit [smile]. Great start and very nice additions.


Thank you, yes, I am greatly enjoying it.  For such an old kit it's going together really nicely.  I can't help feeling it's lulling me into a false sense of security, and is going to play some trick on me later!

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Yeah, I've always been a bit of a detail freak, even when I built them as a kid.  I once chopped up some copper fuse wire into tiny bits, and sprinkled them on the inside of a 1/48 B-17. to simulate spent cartridge cases.  Not sure I'll go that far this time, though!


Hey, would love to see some pictures of your B-17. Did you post them on Flory?

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Hey, would love to see some pictures of your B-17. Did you post them on Flory?


Oh no, this was many, many years ago!  I was eighteen, and had just joined the RAF, back in 1976.  Hung it up above my bed-space in the barrack room when I finished it.  Next day, on morning parade, our commanding officer told the whole flight to go up and have a look, he was so impressed.  I nearly died of embarrassment but was glowing with pride, too.

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that is really cool story
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Best part of an afternoon later, all four nacelle insides are ribbed.

 
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Moving to the outer nacelles, and here’s the major fit issue I was sure the kit was saving up to surprise me with.

 
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When mocked up to the wing, things went from bad to, well, total bafflement, really.  I have no idea how the engineers at Frog (Hasegawa?) came up with this.

 
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Mocking up the cowling only added to the problem.  This is going to take a shed-load of plasticard shims and filler.

 
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Took a heck of a shim to force the outer edges of the nacelle far enough apart to line up with the wing surface.

 
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And more shimming to fill that gap.  Once hardened, I’ll skim some filler over it.

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That's an old kit you are building, you don't know how its been stored and you expected it to bite you in the arse.

Looking at the remedial work you've done so far, looks like you have it well in hand.

I'm sure, despite these problems, you will shine and your final reveal will be amazing, if only to fulfil your wish of finally building this childhood dream kit.

Keep up the good work Kit

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That's an old kit you are building, you don't know how its been stored and you expected it to bite you in the arse.

Looking at the remedial work you've done so far, looks like you have it well in hand.

I'm sure, despite these problems, you will shine and your final reveal will be amazing, if only to fulfil your wish of finally building this childhood dream kit.

Keep up the good work Kit


Thank you.  I have to admit, despite the problems, I am greatly enjoying this build.  I hope the final reveals lives up to expectations.

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Indeed you found a doozie!
I've built several old kits--several from the late 70's, and one molded in 1956 [the date was stamped on the plastic--it was a Ford Futura, the car the 1969 Batmobile was made from for the Batman TV show in the 60's].

The Klingon Bird of Prey I have been working on had several premium warps [warps, warp speed-LOL]. You can see them in my WIP thread. I had given my Sci-fi model kits to my older son when he moved from home. Recently he gave some of them back. They were in zip-loc bags--no box, no instructions, and no decals. No telling where he stored them--attic, basement, etc. Heat, cold, etc.

Oddly enough, I put together a Polar lights round two kit a while back and the whole front end of the Batmobile [1969 car] was warped sideways.

Several years ago a hobby shop owner gave me a stack of old "Frog" kits. 2 1/72 WWII planes and a pile of vacuform kits. I built the Frog P-38 1/72--its in one of my WIP threads here on genessis. I passed the vacuform kits on to a man who loves torture in styrene. All the boxes were smashed, some had mold on them, water damage, dirt, small dead bugs, etc.

So as long as they make our hobby out of styrene I guess there will be challenges to meet. Thing is, you knew what needed to be done and got on with it right away. Good work and good luck!

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Thanks, Ted.  To be honest it's all no worse than the kits I built in my youth.  I knew roughly how to put things right then, and it's all come flooding back.  These new kits from the eastern bloc, designed by CAD and with instructions like War and Peace, it's almost too easy.  Almost!  I already have the next kit lined up, since I don't want poor Rita to be the only 1/72 on the shelf till whenever.  A Matchbox Consolidated PB4Y-2 Privateer.  From a detail point it's even worse, going to need a bucket-load of scratch-building, but that's the fun, right?
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You are spot on. When I dry fit a really good kit it is gratifying but I also get a very small—microscopic twinge—of something like guilt, but it goes away in a nano second! I’ve read that when all kits are 3D printed that the fit is absolute perfection throughout. Bob reviewed a sample kit and when he put the parts together, the seam disappeared completely. Heaven? Close.. the joke about Tamiya was that if you put glue and paint in the box and gently shake it, a finished kit comes out!🤣😂.
When I correct a problem or scratch build a detail I find myself saying “you should have seen this before I fixed this!”....or, see this area? I totally created that to replace/represent (your description here). If the audience is not a model builder I launch into a detailed explanation of the process, my eyes large and slightly crazed look.If I’m speaking to a fellow modeler I point it out, act meek, wait for their comment of glorification and then describe the work as “nothing difficult” —-pride goes before a fall?

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Looking a bit better.  Once those resin rivet decals arrive, I’ll replace the lost detail and see how they look under a mist of paint.

 
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To the engine cowls next.  These need to be opened up to show the resin Homares I have bought.

 
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First step is to drill through with a pin drill between each of those spokes, removing as much material as possible.  Then carefully nibble away at what’s left with the snips.

 
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Clean-up follows with a diamond micro-file and some fine emery paper.

 
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Took a little time, but once I switched off and settled into auto-pilot mode the time passed soon enough. 

All four cowlings now ready to show off their contents.

 
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Now to the cockpit.  And this is Frog’s idea of the flight deck.

 
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The four square pegs are the mounts for the seats.

And what on earth are those angle/bracket thingys in front of the rear seats?  Tables?  Instrument panels?

 
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I don’t know what they are, but I do know I don’t like them.  But, what to replace them with?  There are no reference photos to go on, and I have no idea what the originals look like.  Then it occurred to me.  If I, with all the resources of the internet at my disposal, can’t find anything, what did the kit engineers at Frog do in the ‘60’s?  I’m guessing these objects are purely the creation of someone’s imagination.  It is known there were four crew members on the deck, and it’s reasonable to assume the rear two were a navigator and a flight engineer.

So, using my own experience of working in the aviation industry, I am going to turn the rear two seats around, and fabricate something at the back of the deck.

Speaking of which…

 
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I seriously doubt the crew were expected to crawl through a circular entrance hole like that.  I’ll make a new rear bulkhead.  In fact, my first thought was to cut and file all the original bumps and lumps of the kit floor, but then reckoned that it would be far quicker and easier to just use the originals as templates, and fabricate some new ones myself from plastic card.

So, that’s today’s job sorted out!

 

 



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