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Good luck to your daughter Gary. Let us know how she gets on. My daughter is only 12 at the moment but has a great voice and has done various solos in her school shows. She is having singing lessons so you never know in a few years....?

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I will also be building a "Sundowners" scheme with the 1/48 academy kit. still don't know about aftermarket or a special diorama??. I blew a LOT of that budget on the sturmtiger tank. Seems that you guys are blessed with talented children! hope they both do well. singing and instruments are great talents to nurture. I was involved with singing and sound reinforcement for over 30 years. only time I gained anything besides pure enjoyment and entertainment was a few years that I sang for weddings. Last singing job? love song from Phantom of the Opera. throat cancer ended my singing. glad just to have a voice.
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Was that Phantom II F4B of the Opera?? Sounds more catchy don't you think...I must call Andrew Lloyd Webber...[idea]
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Ok I am away from my bench at the moment but enjoying all of the other GB entries. I mentioned I was going for something unique and hopefully it will be .....unique. I am aiming high for this but the big reveal of what I am going for is....drum roll please....follow the link...

http://warbirdlegends.com/Photos/Modern_Fighter/F-4_FP-680_OSH2010KR_04.jpg

Yes I have not heard anyone mention a parachute assisted landing...I remembered that the F4 still has the parachute system even though it is not used on an aircraft carrier. I have decided my plane will be making an unexpected stop on land and so will need to use the chute rather than the hook to stop.

I have been giving the parachute a lot of thought and I think I know how I can scratch build one entirely and aiming for the one in the picture and will also need to modify the interior of the model to support the chute as well as cut off the little door in the rear which opens to deploy the chute. Probably sounds like a piece of cake to you experienced model guys but it is a big challenge for me...I am starting to feel like Ted on one of his "just change a bit here and there models".

I will show the pictures of how I attempt this modification...wish me luck....of course it will also involve a long runway to be made and, what the hell, I have been watching some water effects videos so I might throw in a bit of that as well...!!!!!

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This sounds like an interesting idea Andy ! I will be following along with you on this it's a really cool idea

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Great idea and would look really fantastic! I studied doing a chute on my mig but chickened out!
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Ok, Holidays over (shame!!) and I have spent some time on the F4 cockpit PE. As this is my first PE work I decided to take it slow and try to be as careful as possible. I have used a combination of bending pliers and a bending tool. Glue used was a mixture of PVA, PVA mixed with water and flow improver and finally good old CA glue.

I must admit I have really enjoyed using PE, I just have to go careful and not bend parts by mistake when gluing them. I had considered using solder to join some of the folded sides but I think I will leave that for another model.

I split the PE into three groups, the first needed spraying black, the second could be installed into the cockpit and sprayed grey along with the rest of the tub and the final group was those PE parts with need spraying grey but which then would have coloured PE parts glued to them prior to going into the tub.

Here is the tub with the raw PE glued in...





For those who have not started their Da Nang build yet be careful as the instructions do not mention that the plastic cockpit consoles on the left and right of the pilot need to be sanded down and installed before adding the coloured PE on top. As does the one on the left of the weapons officer.

I then sprayed the cockpit Vallejo Model Air Medium Sea Grey and added the first coloured pieces of PE...



The details is gradually built up in stages in the cockpit but I am really please with the end results (note I decided not to use the PE levers which needed bending and gluing onto the instrument panels as I noted that 1, they would not be seen in the closed cockpit and 2 I thought they may restrict the room for the crew to go in. ..







And here is the weapons officer rear panel with the fiddly joystick panel installed on the right hand side...



Once all of the individual pieces had been painted and built up I installed everything in the tub working from front to back..



The above picture shows the front panel which is all PE and does not seem to fit so great into the main joystick base on the floor so a little trimming of the piece was necessary but not noticeable..

The rear cockpit is really built up with PE panels on both sides on the crewman, I hope he is going to fit in when I get that far...[eek]



And here is the finished tub which still needs to be weathered but I will let that sit and dry for a while whilst I get on with the wheel wells..





Happy so far!!!



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Excellent Andy ! Beautiful clean crisp work, it looks amazing. Keep it up buddy, it's going to be a good one I can feel it in my dwr

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Cheers Pete. This kit goes together so much better than my F14...a joy so far.

You asked about the parachute....I am still considering this but may either go for a wire frame and tape for the material or I may try thin plasti-card. I have also considered paper / PVA glue. Hope I can pull something off as I see from all other builds that each one has great features.

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Great job on the cockpit Andy the p/e work is very clean and crisp,love the chute idea, I made one for a 24th dragster kit using very fine copper wire and tissue paper soaked in pva glue, I depicted it as if the chute had deployed then started to close as it is hard to get a truly symetrical form for the chute canopy, I literally made a cone shape out of 1 inch dowling rubbed it liberally with a candle,acts as a release agent then layered the tissue onto the dowel remove it before it sets fully then sculpt.shape as required, then leave to set, ca glue the fine wire to the canopy and cross over and twist some of the strands to resemble the chords losing their tension.
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that cockpit is fantastic! very sharp work. I've made rounded shapes before using a balloon or some kind of smooth plastic ball. I made a round collar for the "form" to sit in and then draped wet tissue over it--the very thin stuff you find in shoe boxes or gift wrap. laid it on top, wet it with a spray bottle that had water and thinned white glue mixed. after several sprays and drying in between, the tissue was quite hard and could be pulled off and trimmed as needed. one of a hundred ways to do it? kind of like paper mache? guess you could put tiny thread under the tissue for the parachute cords?
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Thanks for the comments guys.

I have purchased some rose wire which comes in very fine gauge. My idea is to use a round form of some kind, like a ball Ted thanks. I will create a form out of the wire (I have worked out I need 20 strands to copy the photo I am working from). I will then wrap pieces of wire around the cords to make a wire frame in the shape of a cup. The trouble with this type of chute is that the material is not all one piece but rather contains holes down the length of the chute so in fact it ends up being several rings of material going around the chute. Each ring is different in width. I therefore thought I would use different widths of Tamiya masking tape for each width. Another problem is that each ring segment billows out so I will need formers to go under each section to make that billow effect. I will use some form of dowel or something for that. I then intend to bring all of the ends of the wires together and join them to a plastic rod which will be painted to represent the main cord and then that round plastic rod will go into holes cut into a block mounted in the rear of the aircraft. Sorry for the long typing description.....finally I may try to make the hatch which opens to release the chute workable so I can remove the chute and close the rear hatch for easier display of the model after the GB.

My only concern is making sure the CA glue I use to join the wire frame together and the tape covered in PVA does not stick to the form used to make the shape. Thanks for the candle idea...will that work with CA glue as well as PVA????

Thanks for the help guys....this is ambitious at my level but I will have a go....


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On another note..I need to start work on the crew soon and was looking for reference on their flight suits and came across this picture which is of a period F4 pilot. I thought you might want it for reference..

http://www.combatairmuseum.org/exhibits/exhimages/largeimages/ex009.jpg


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The parachute will take a bit of work but I reckon you can figure it out Andy, it will be a very original way to display the plane

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The parachute will take a bit of work but I reckon you can figure it out Andy, it will be a very original way to display the plane Pete


I understand a bit more of what you are up against in making the chute now. I did a lot of research for the possibility of making a chute for the Mig29 I built. I saw the same thing--openings to release part of the intense air pressure on the fabric, and the billowed sections. Would it be possible to take the round object and glue soft tubing [different diameters]around it where the chute needs to billow? then if you covered this in tissue and stiffened it in a conformed shape, the billowed areas would be molded in. easier if we were working side by side. hard to translate into visual images sometimes. it might also be easier[?] of the round object was on a "post"  with a base of some kind so that the chute and cords are hanging down by gravity? trying to think of something to keep the CA from sticking to the round "form"--maybe it would work to use some masking fluid under the wire at the glue points? hopefully the CA would not penetrate the masking fluid and stick to the form? you could test this idea before you make the chute. you should be able to cut the sections that need to be open out of the tissue after it has hardened--all depends on the wire frame? would it possible to make the form from a round object, use something to get the billows on the form, cover it with the thinnest tissue you can find. wet it with thinned white glue and conform it to the shape, let it dry hard, THEN lay the wire on TOP of the first tissue-use CA glue as needed, then finish by putting one more super thin layer of tissue over the wire? the wire would be embedded in the chute & the problem of the CA sticking to the form is solved. Just don't know if this will work with how you need the chute to look.

BTW--the picture of that flight suit is priceless--THANKS for posting. that is going to help me!

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