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Thanks Ted...don't worry I know exactly what you are trying to convey to me. I had thought about making the round former with dowels down its length to get the billow effect but I had not considered using two layers of "fabric" and putting the wire joins inside the two, so thanks for that. I want to try and use Tamiya tape of different widths for the material and then just leave the openings between the tapes. I assume I can paint watered down PVA glue onto Tamiya tape to make it solid and paintable??

I have also decided to try another unique element. As the model is going to be just landing and having deployed its chute but still running at speed, I have come across pictues of painitng the runway markings blurred so as to give the impression of speed in the aircraft movement...the end result...if it is done correctly...looks as though the aircraft is actually moving...we will see!! Better get the thing built first!!

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Reply with quote  #32 
I haven't tried PVA on tamiya tape but I'm sure it would make it stiffen up and keep it's shape. The blurred markings is a great idea, it shouldn't be too hard to pull off, but you could always print some out onto paper and glue them down if not

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Yea I thought about the photoshop blurring idea but I thought that would be cheating!! I think a combination of stencils, airbrush and drybrushing should be able to acheive the effect.

Here is what it looks like

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/103307.aspx?sort=DESC

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Reply with quote  #34 
It wouldn't be cheating for me, I need the manual just to turn the computer on lol ! That f-104 is crazy good, the illusion of movement is incredible ! The phantom will look amazing at speed with the chute behind it

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I agree Pete, I hadn't seen that effect before. My thoughts are that the chute would not be deployed until someway down the runway so I will just have the central lines to deal with ( and maybe a couple of skid marks).

I have also had a brainwave re the chute mould.....a traditional jelly mould!!! I have already ordered one from Amazon with 19 surface curves...the actual chute has 20 but hopefully no one will notice it is not true scale!!!!!

I am to my resin engine parts now so never having used resin before like this (only in miniature painting) it will be another first for me...

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It wouldn't be cheating for me, I need the manual just to turn the computer on lol ! That f-104 is crazy good, the illusion of movement is incredible ! The phantom will look amazing at speed with the chute behind it

Pete


We have yet to see if the Phantom will look AMAZING at all !!!

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Andy,
that link is fabulous! what a great idea to absolutely give the feeling of power and motion! thnaks for including that. Jelly mold? good idea! an't wait to see how you develop everything. I had my first experience with resin on the sturmtiger tank build. don't forget the wash it good--I totally forgot but it worked out OK with the paint and washes.

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It wouldn't be cheating for me, I need the manual just to turn the computer on lol ! That f-104 is crazy good, the illusion of movement is incredible ! The phantom will look amazing at speed with the chute behind it

Pete


We have yet to see if the Phantom will look AMAZING at all !!!


Don't underestimate the power of positive thinking Andy, It gets my models done lol !

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I agree Pete, I hadn't seen that effect before. My thoughts are that the chute would not be deployed until someway down the runway so I will just have the central lines to deal with ( and maybe a couple of skid marks).

I have also had a brainwave re the chute mould.....a traditional jelly mould!!! I have already ordered one from Amazon with 19 surface curves...the actual chute has 20 but hopefully no one will notice it is not true scale!!!!!

I am to my resin engine parts now so never having used resin before like this (only in miniature painting) it will be another first for me...


I have to admit that building a drag chute would give me a couple of skid marks lol ! Removing the pour stubs (if the engine cans have them) I find the worst thing about resin parts, and the dust is nasty so keep a mask handy, although I don't think breathing it in has done me any hahungunyiggdbhgd d ygbdnuyugdynnuy !

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Edit : I'm going to look for parachute shaped jello moulds now
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Here is the type of mould I have ordered. If you compare the shape to the chute I think it might just work and save a load of time ...plus my wife wants the mould after...I assume to make jelly not a parachute!!!!!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kitchen-Craft-Miniamo-Jelly-Mould/dp/B007ATF50Y/ref=sr_1_8?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1406848166&sr=1-8&keywords=traditional+jelly+moulds

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great find! I was thinking about the billowed part running the other way! DOH, my bad. can't wait to see what you do with the idea.exciting!
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Hi Guys....yes I am still here!!

Here is the latest update on where I have got to...(I know I am not posting as much as some of you guys but hopefully that is OK - time seems to never to be on my side!!)..

I have decided to do this build in organised steps which hopefully allows me access to various parts that may need work on them. Seeing the trouble with the air intakes others are having I am glad I haven't fixed them into the fuselage yet as I hope to discover the secret of intakes with no filler / sanding (I wish!)..So here are some components glued and filled. The Resin parts were sawed using a combination of saws and dremel bits. Unfortunately I had not realised how brittle resin can be so mangled one of the engine fan blades but you won't be able to see that so no worries and I know for next time..Nose cone is built with radar and WITH WEIGHT IN IT!!!



After all of the hassle on my F14 air intakes I decided to try to do as much work on these ones whilst they are still in pieces. Several blobs of Mr Surfacer 500 (using a cotton wool bud to just blob it on to keep from getting it everywhere). I have not photographed it but these turned out great..



The interior intakes needed filling along the interior seem lines but again because they were not joined onto anything yet the sanding was so much easier than the F14..



I then sprayed up the intakes and resin engine parts with primer. I used the Vallejo Black Primer rather than the grey which saved a step. I also did one of the fuel (centre) tanks for a bit of variety...This is where I discovered that the PE fan parts require one piece to be glued to the fan and one to be glued down the tube..glad I noticed it as I was going to glue them both to the fan!!..



Then I sanded out (Very Lightly Ted..I learned my lesson of ruining detail on the F14) the wing leading edges and re-scribed the few panel lines which were reduced in depth...as most of you know the fit on this kit is really great. The fuselage is not yet glued to the wings yet but in this picture I was just enjoying it looking like a plane...no glue...no filler...but look at those joins...Oh Joy!..



I then decided I needed to start the seats as I wanted to check I could put them and the crew into the cockpit after the tub is in and the fuselage joined together. I think I can. I am just waiting for the crew's arms to dry as they have had their first sit in the tub so I could position the hands. I have had to make a slight modification to the weapons officer (on the left in this photo) in that I have sanded the inside of his legs to widen the gap for the PE instrument panels...



So that is where I am so far. Painting the pilots and PE on the seats next I think as well as adding in their radio wires..and then those exhausts to be painted (brown and green???) so I can look at getting her together...and sorting out the problems I will probably have with the air intakes.

Finally, my jelly mold has arrived and looks as though it is going to be a goer for the parachute mold. I won't be doing the parachute yet but if you want me to do a step by step on how I muck it up then let me know [rolleyes]!!


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Reply with quote  #43 
It's all looking great Andy ! Those seams are very tidy, and Deffo put up a step by step on the chute mate, it will be very helpful to see the process

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I was working on the intakes this weekend and I think I have come up with a satisfactory solution to the step problem where the inner and outer intakes join. I must admit it was difficult to see what the problem was from other threads but when I put it together on my model the problem is obvious. Basically the inner intake slots inside the outer intake but the edges of the inner intake are square and therefore you end up looking down the tube at that ugly square edge. Also the instructions want you to install the inner ones first and then add the outer ones later on.

I wanted to try to end up without the problem of filling and sanding to remove the step once all installed as the opening to work in is quite small. My solution is therefore three fold:

1. I have sanded the edges of the inner intake into a sharp edge (like a knife) instead of the flat edge there originally. In doing this I have made sure that I have not sanded / changed the shape of the instake in any way so only the step has been smoothed out.
2. I am going to join the inner and outer intakes together BEFORE I install the inner ones into the fuselage. That way I can get a good fit together and ensure that the sharpened inner intake edge is glued nicely against the inside wall of the outer intake. This should mean that there may still be a line visible when looking inside but the two pieces will look like they have been designed that way (rather than just a step looking ugly).
3. Depending on what the glued result looks like I MAY put some Mr Surfacer 1000,1200 painted along the join inside the intake to smooth things out further. Again I think this will be easier and neater if it is done before installing the joined intakes into the fuselage. Bottom line is I don't want to do anymore sanding on them if I can avoid it.

I will put some pictures up showing this when I get a chance.

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Reply with quote  #45 
That sounds like what I had attempted at first, but since mine were already glued into place I couldn't accomplish it as well as you should be able to. Good luck.

Kenny

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