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Jason Gaspard

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I've been lurking, watching all the cool builds going on and really started to feel left out...I had a good idea for the bomber GB but things happened and I missed out participating. After an unpleasant GB experience on another site I was itching to participate here again, but was not feeling inspired by anything in my stash. 

Until one night when I was kicking around the 'net and stumbled on this aircraft and did some research. Keeping politics and ethics out of the unmanned drone discussion (believe me, I feel a bit conflicted myself....), the very concept (and now, existence) of an unmanned carrier based autonomous attack/surveillance aircraft is fascinating from a strictly mechanical standpoint. Add to that, the fact that none of the sites I visit has ever had a build thread on this kit although I do remember Bobby doing an in box review (and bonus: no cockpit to paint and no F'ing canopy to mask! [love])

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The kit was ordered today and props to Sprue Brothers, is already shipped and I will probably have it tomorow (I only live a couple hours away from Kansas City)!

Pix will follow, ideas are running thru my head, vignette, in flight, wings folded...


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Nice!!
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Jason, feeling left out isn't nice - so a very warm welcome to this GB :-)
I have to admit that this plane creeps me out... but it is very interesting and cool looking at the same time, so looking forward to this build very much. A really admire the look of airplanes and the different "characters" they have. At the end it all comes down to form follows function... a very good basis for great designs. Have fun ;-)

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Really pleased to see you in the group build Jason !

A very interesting plane too mate, a great design and very hi tech and futuristic looking, I'm certain you will come up with a really great display idea for this one.

I'm also not sure how I feel in regards to UAVs and drones, like you I find the whole concept of these kind of aircraft from a technical point of view very fascinating, but the ethics are a different story. I guess technical progress means the future of warfare is heading in this direction but as Fabian said its a little creepy (Terminator and sky net come to mind)
There's no denying that these kind of machines are science fiction turned fact that's for sure

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There is a good movie named: Good Kill
its about an F16 Pilot flying Drones in Afghanistan  now out of a Container in Nevada. BTW  Ethan Hawke plays the Main Character.

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Jason, good to see you here! I was bummed out of the last group build by life, so this is my redemption round. Excellent choice for your build. Unique, interesting, and as you stated--NO COCKPIT OR CANOPY! what a bonus! My local model club has a member who spent 20+ years working on Air force planes, much of it with drones. He recently did a presentation for us re: the "Global Hawk"....fascinating capabilities and technology.
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Interesting project and the tech behind it too but as for the ethical issue my thinking is thus -

UAV Drones are as unethical as any other type of missile delivery system for the
kill decision is still a human one regardless of whether or not it is manned, or not.
It is simply another link in the chain, guided missiles have similar Piezo gyros and
GPS etc. which effectively makes them short range drones.

The real ethical dilemma is handing over the kill decision to the AI itself
A point which is demonstrated very well in this 1974 documentary [biggrin]


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When I asked the club member about offensive capability, he stated that the Global Hawk is purely a surveillance vehicle. It does not deliver ordinance of any kind. It has no bay doors or pylons. The killer drones all have "deadly" sounding names to go along with their primary jobs. Its a chilling thought. I keep thinking about that college kid that armed a relatively small drone with a semi-auto pistol and made a video showing it hovering and firing. I can see thousands of those type drones swarming over with guns, smoke launchers, tear gas, flash bangs, small mines, etc., etc. Kind of reminds me of "Terminator" movies and a skynet sort of scenario? How far are we from that craziness.
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Humanity has been on the edge of madness since it realised it's own mortality [smile]
Like I say though, the real scary bit is handing over the kill decision to the computer itself....
Which hasn't happened..... yet !
Except perhaps for Russias dooms day auto retaliation devices....

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That should be interesting, cool subject!

Wim.

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The kit arrived and I had enough time to take some pix before heading to work



The decals do let it down a bit, very thick...they make Tamiya's look like Cartograph!



It also came with a new feature that I had never seen before...should be a real time saver...

pre-silvered decals! 



I will be sending an email to Freedom, but being a new manufacturer I'm willing to cut them some slack. I was thinking about making masks and spraying what I could anyway, between that, trimming off the unneeded carrier film, and the clear coats it will get I should be able to salvage these...but seriously, why not just outsource this to Cartograph and charge $5 more for the kit? 



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Great choice of kit Jason,

I wondered if this one would make an appearance.

pity about the decals but I'm sure you'll get by.

I wonder if you could use the decals to make masks by cutting out the lines you want to add and spraying through the carrier card??

Best of luck and I look forward to the end result

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apparently there is a technique of removing the carrier film after the decals have been applied by rubbing them with your finger wetted in Tamiya's X20 enamel thinners, a little risky but great results if you get it right [smile]
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Paul,
Thanks for the tip. I saw Phil Flory do that on his Hind build. The success depends on the decal, those were Trumpeter and it worked well, I tried with Revell and struck out. I will try one of the unused ones on a scrap and report back.

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yeah thats where I got it from [smile]
Curious to see how that pans out as I have been trying to get some
here in the UK but seems difficult to get hold of for some reason .....

Anyhow, it is my hope that one day decal makers will create a decal
and carrier film removal solution System that is reliable as it seems
to give the best result possible, when it works [smile]

Also, I was hoping that someone might pick up on the drone ethics
debate re. kill decisions being human v AI, which for me is the crux
of the matter, although there issues of bodily displacement & reduced
personal risk leading too cavalier decisions, well anyways... [smile]

Anyway, I like the look of this kit, has a very sci fi presence to it !

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