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Hello!

I need help from you experienced figure painters. The project I'm currently working on ( http://genessis-models.websitetoolbox.com/post/diorama-base-for-my-tupolev-tu2-7769236?pid=1289689603 ) calls for figures in specific postures. I've had an idea how to solve this but as you will see the result isn't what you can call great...So I want to know if I'm totally wrong with the idea or if it's just poorly executed and I need to spend a little more time practicing?

I also would want some tips on painting but I think a good way is if I post some pictures of my work and if maybe some of you would want to comment and help me out!?

Ok this is what I got to work with



And this is my guinea pig [smile]



I started to cut every joint



I then drilled holes thru the parts and threaded them on a thin wire, then put him in the position I wanted and used CA glue to "freeze" him




Next I filled the gaps with milliput and tried to recreate the missing wrinkles, folds etc.




After a coat of primer here's the result




The big problem areas I can see are the legs and the back. The thighs are too long and the knees not pronounced enough also he gets a funny long back/behind [bawl] Are there better ways of doing this?

Anyway I think I will paint him up to see the end result, if he comes out ok maybe he can be a supporting actor [smile]

All help and comments are much appreciated!!

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Okay Daniel, this is actually great stuff you've got going so far. You've done everything the way it should be done and he looks pretty dang good. For your first time doing this, you hit really freakin' close to the mark, I'll say that much lol.

All I can see you needing here is simply more practice. So keep going!

Painting can wait til later.  [smile]

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Thanks Mike!

That are both good and bad news....Great that I'm on track, but ones more life teaches us there are no shortcuts to success [smile]

Seriously thank you so much for taking your time to put me in the right direction!

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You already had the direction lol. But when you need course corrections, I'll give you a head's up. [smile]

So far you're right on track and nothing besides simply doing more of it will make anything any better. Experience can't be taught! You have to keep going and that will make you even better.

And, my friend, you've got an excellent head start on it already. Not much help is needed at this time because you've got this. But when you get to the eyes I can show you how to make it easier and that'll give you an advantage.

You keep posting progress and I'll keep following right along with you.  [smile]

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I think you did a great job! its not easy to change a figures position that much! In the future, the only recommendation I can make is that the body can be generally divided into 7 equal sections [as a reference for reconstruction, not cutting] where the head is 1/7th of the total. you may be able to extrapolate some "lengths" of limbs from that formula. Definitely harder when the figure is already "posed" and then you cut it apart. I hope I can do half as well on the figures for my corsair diorama when the time comes.
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the only recommendation I can make is that the body can be generally divided into 7 equal sections [as a reference for reconstruction, not cutting] where the head is 1/7th of the total. you may be able to extrapolate some "lengths" of limbs from that formula.


That's a great tip, actually used it this evening and it helped a lot, thanks!

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Painted the first figure now. For this project I wanted to challenge myself a bit more, in the past when I painted figures I generally put down different shades of the general color with the airbrush then brush painted details followed by whacking on a wash and to finish it of some drybrushing. Nothing wrong with that but I always felt that they looked a bit boring.

Here are some examples of what kind of results I got in the past




So I looked at different tutorials online on more advanced miniature painting all of them was on bigger scales than 1/48. Anyway off I went and tried to paint all the shadows and highlights instead of using the wash and drybrushing.

Here's the result





Not too sure about the blue color on the worksuit but in same time the dio needs something more colorful. I think it came out better than expected especially considering it's my first go.

Any comments, suggestions, tips etc. are as usual very much welcome!

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Hmmm... I believe I've seen some of your work on Google Pictures before. That Bi-plane dio looks really familiar!

I've got nothing on what you've already done here. You're SOLID with your basics.

I think what you are looking for however, is the chromatic method. Where you get your blocking done, add a wash for the deep shadows, and then use your AB to spray directly from the bottom your shadows and from the top with your highlights.

Shadows/highlights should be 90% clear and 10% either white or black. Sprayed no more than a 30 degree angle from top or bottom as you watch it slowly add up.

It gives a very natural lighting effect.

Give that a try. I think you'll like the results.  [smile]

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Mike

I think you saw it here on the forum posted it when I first joined about a year ago.

That chromatic method sounds very interesting surely gonna give it a try, just a few questions

With 90% clear you mean some type of varnish not just diluted paint?

Do you use this method over flesh colours too or do you do them separately?

You mentioned earlier some method for painting eyes, that would really help because I struggle a fair bit with them

Thanks for your input!

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Oh, right you are. lol

Yes. You'll need a matte clear medium such as Vallejo or whatever you prefer. I should have specified that.  :/

I do the flesh areas separately because they need richer tones to look more realistic.

For the eyes I have already posted a small tutorial down in the figure painting section. http://genessis-models.websitetoolbox.com/post/dont-toss-out-those-old-plastic-figures-7585787?&trail=15 It shows my method at post #6. Its really simple and just takes some practice before it becomes pretty easy and fast to do. I've gotten pretty fast at popping in the eyes now. When I started (mind you, I didn't develop this trick yet) it would sometimes take me anywhere from 8 to 12 times before I got it right, and that was just with a brush.

You can substitute the dried up marker for a toothpick (frill pick - cocktail stick) if you rough up the tip a little (soak in hot water and brush it with your finger a few times until the very tip is a little soft).

Let me know if you need any more clarification. I'll be on for a while and checking-in often.

One thing I will suggest if you really want to make more improvement is to dig out old figures you've never used or that are incomplete, just to practice on them. After a while it gets addictive when your results start to become what you envision them to be in your mind. After that you start looking at older figures and thinking, "I could do that so much better now" lol. This gets fun!

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Thanks Mike!!

Now it's just comes down to practice!

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Continued working on the crew, start to feel like Dr. Frankenstein here [rofl].

Say hello to the family!



All primed now and ready for some paint!

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That is a good looking group of figures. I don't see any seams and you're off to a perfect beginning.  [smile]

Have fun!!  [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

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A small update, gave the chromatic method, that Mike described a go. Really liked it, quick and fairly easy to get a good result I think. Had some problems to decide when enough was enough maybe can have gone a bit over the top.

I struggled to find good references to the uniforms but as far as I can find the soviet m43 came in a number of different shades all from light khaki to brown all with different amounts of green in it. So I decided to just try to make all the figures look a tad different. If someone got a good reference I would appreciate it.

Blocking done (sorry for the reflections)


A dark wash, thin layers of black and white applied


Flesh colours added, also defined areas around the belts, pockets and shoulder strap with a very dark oil wash.



I think they look pretty good and I will absolutely continue using this method trying to master it! Thanks Mike!!!!

Thanks for watching!

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Oh heck yeah, buddy! That technique really paid off in spades for you! [biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

Looks like you got a better result with the eyes as well. The light looks like it falls over them much more naturally and THAT is what you wanted to achieve. Yes, this is how its done and you're right about only needing to practice now. You are well on your way to mastering figures now.

So, how does it feel? Pretty cool, huh?  [biggrin] 

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