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Brundledonk

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Great news on the replacement seats ! If only all the model companies handled thing that well.
Good to get the ordinance out of the way early on too, look forward to seeing your progress

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Chris--that is great news! Eduard has a good rep. I had problems with two resin kits on my tanks and did not get resolution--they were not Eduard. already making great progress! look forward to the pictures.
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Yeah, good news on the bits!
In the meantime, am I right in thinking that the bombs require the stippled coating, I can't remember the correct term.
Also, colour call outs suggest that all of the bomb is olive drab including fins and tips. Sure I saw pictures of metal tips and metal edges on the fins!
I guess this is down to research but given that I haven't done any explains my confusion.
Finally, I have put the wing tanks together and the seam looks really good after a little fettling with abrasives. Is it normal practice to apply any Mr Surfacer or would you just prime up and see what it looks like?
No doubt loads more questions to follow, hope that is ok.

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Yes prime it and see where you need, or require any fixing.
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I concur with Mike, if there are no obvious gaps or seams a coat of primer will let the dog see the rabbit

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Chris,
I took off on my Phantom w/o much "research" at all and as a result I know I used some alternate parts included in my kit for different versions of my bird. I just chose the best looking pieces with the most detail detail--not going anywhere but on my shelf--no judge looking over it for flaws. sounds like you had some good progress. when I glue a seamed part I take a toothpick [I keep my nails completely cut off short] and run it across the seam line gently to see if I can "feel" a seam. Michael is right. only way to get an  e x a c t  look at it is to shoot it with some primer or flat black. I've thought over and over I had a seam "perfect", then the primer let me know I was still human!

"Since the Vietnam war US Navy (USN) and US Marine Corp (USMC) GP bombs are distinguished by a thick ablative fire-retardant coating, which is designed to delay any potential accidental explosion in the event of a shipboard fire. Land-based air forces typically do not use such coatings, largely because they add some 30 lb (14 kg) to the weight of the complete weapon. (Source: Wikipedia)"

this link has some pictures of the bombs [using the fire retardant coating] with various color schemes for the tail fins--white, silver,green etc. best images in the first part of the page, then it gets all mixed up.sorry bout that.

bomb thermal coating images - Google Search

and from that image page here is ONE of many techniques to create that coating on a scale model bomb:

http://www.carrierbuilders.net/articles/20051115_Thermal_Ablative_Coating/20051115_Thermal_Ablative_Coating.htm

http://zone-five.net/showthread.php?t=25030

and another technique for making the coating:

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=158245&st=20&p=1462634&#entry1462634


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Hi guys. Thanks for the advice and especially the links Ted.
I have now finished building the tanks,bombs, missiles and racks, yippee! Managed to ping a fin in to the waiting clutches of the carpet monster so had to use a smaller alternative, I think you would have to know its there to find it though.
Started playing around with the intakes last night and think I may have a plan; I am going to fit the intake tubes in with bluetak, the two halves only taped together, mount the flat bits(are they called splitters?) to the fuselage sides and then temporarily fit the main fuselage together. I am hoping I can then fix the outer, square part of the intake to the outer part of the inner tube whilst ensuring everything lines up correctly with the main fuselage. When this is dry, I will remove the taped on half of the inner tube leaving clear access to the outer part for applying filler and sanding. I'm am then hoping to fix the whole assembly in to the upper part of the fuselage before bringing the two halves together.
I hope that makes sense, it's a bit wordy. Unfortunately I won't be able to dry fit as the outer intakes will have to be glued very firmly in order to test the theory. If it all goes to the dogs I will order some resin bits instead.
I'll take some pics so you can see how it goes.
I also joined the two bottom pieces of the fuselage together, applied solvent weld to the transverse seam only then held vertical so gravity played its part. This allowed a little bit of flex so that the longitudinal seams could be lined up and glued. I'll post a pic of this later as well.

I do have another question if I may? When I put the landing gear boxes together, is it normal practice to paint them before fitting to the wing or do you just airbrush them later when you start on the main scheme?

Pics to follow!

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Chris, I am a visual tactile learner so I will have to see pics to see exactly what you got going on with that section of your build but it sounds like the route might yield some good results. I think that most people assemble the wheel wells in place, then mask them off and paint later. you can paint the entire bottom one color and then mask around the wheel well and paint it, or mask around the well, paint it, and then fill it with foam or wet tissue, tape, white tac, etc. to protect the wheel well paint as you paint the rest of the bottom of the fuselage. which ever method works best for you.
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Originally Posted by TheNobleWizard
Hi guys. Thanks for the advice and especially the links Ted.
I have now finished building the tanks,bombs, missiles and racks, yippee! Managed to ping a fin in to the waiting clutches of the carpet monster so had to use a smaller alternative, I think you would have to know its there to find it though.
Started playing around with the intakes last night and think I may have a plan; I am going to fit the intake tubes in with bluetak, the two halves only taped together, mount the flat bits(are they called splitters?) to the fuselage sides and then temporarily fit the main fuselage together. I am hoping I can then fix the outer, square part of the intake to the outer part of the inner tube whilst ensuring everything lines up correctly with the main fuselage. When this is dry, I will remove the taped on half of the inner tube leaving clear access to the outer part for applying filler and sanding. I'm am then hoping to fix the whole assembly in to the upper part of the fuselage before bringing the two halves together.
I hope that makes sense, it's a bit wordy. Unfortunately I won't be able to dry fit as the outer intakes will have to be glued very firmly in order to test the theory. If it all goes to the dogs I will order some resin bits instead.
I'll take some pics so you can see how it goes.
I also joined the two bottom pieces of the fuselage together, applied solvent weld to the transverse seam only then held vertical so gravity played its part. This allowed a little bit of flex so that the longitudinal seams could be lined up and glued. I'll post a pic of this later as well.

I do have another question if I may? When I put the landing gear boxes together, is it normal practice to paint them before fitting to the wing or do you just airbrush them later when you start on the main scheme?

Pics to follow!

Regards


Chris


This is similar to the way I tackled the intakes on my Tamiya kit, I had to cut a couple of bits of of the fuselage, but I assembled everything then dealt with the filling and sanding.

Pete

Edit : if the landing gear bays are the same colour as the bottom of the fuselage it's probably easier to paint them after they are fitted

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Hi Chris...glad a new Eduard is on the block..

Those intakes can be frustrating. My suggestion would be to look at the Good Morning Da Nang group builds and the other Eduard / Academy builds. Everyone has had issues with the intakes so if you scroll through to the correct place in each Wip thread you will see a variety of solutions used.

The bottom of you plane is probably white as are the wheel wells so you can just spray up everything at once later...

Good luck and crack on with two months to go...

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Finally got round to posting the pics I promised:-

Firstly the bottom seam





Intakes held in place with Blutack


Outer intake glued to inner




Filler applied



Filler sanded down and white tape applied to cover hole in bottom where it joins fuselage bottom.  A couple more coats of surfacer and line created by tape will also be hidden.



Done lots of other bits and pieces, wing tips on, tail assembly on, exhausts painted, PE applied to fans and also started on cockpit.  I will post up some more pics when I have finished the intakes.

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Nice work on sorting out the step Chris, are there separate parts to close the intakes before they fit to the fuselage, or are the walls moulded to the fuselage ?

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Nice work on sorting out the step Chris, are there separate parts to close the intakes before they fit to the fuselage, or are the walls moulded to the fuselage ? Pete


Pete, I think the Eduards kit is based on the Academy F-4[the one I am building]. the kit instructions show gluing the inner part of the intakes onto the fuselage bottom, then put on the upper one piece fuselage top, THEN attach the outer front portions of the intakes/splitter plates. Chris has chosen the logical, sensible sequence. I think Kenny also used this route? Wish I had.

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Unfortunately I didn't go this route. Wish I had. You can get much better results than going in the order that the directions tell you to go. Nigel did, and one other that I'm drawing a blank on atm. All are getting nice pretty intakes like these.

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Reply with quote  #30 
It's spot on, and it really works. I never thought about leaving one half of the intake tube off, good call.

If you get the dry fit correct with the fuselage you can actually leave them off the plane whilst you do the rest of the build
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