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TedUSA

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The seat looks great so far. One thing that could add more depth to it though, especially as it is all black, is to paint the cushions with Model Master Black Chrome Trim. This is  a semi-gloss black. The cushions on the real seats are typically black leather, and are a different tone and sheen compared to the metal seat frame. Also on occasion the safety belts and parachute pack belts are different colors as they are replaced in service. Hope this is of use[smile]
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Ernie,
Thanks for that info. I really did not research the seat cushion color too much when I saw all those belts. I could have painted the headrest and the tiny sections of cushion that are visible. I do have about 6 pictures of the seat from online sources. There were so many belts I opted just to pick two that I could identify from top to bottom and paint them. the others cross over each other, buckled, unbuckled, etc. I actually chose a poor AM resin seat to use. I went for cost!! my bad. I have installed the seat in the cockpit but not put the canopy on yet. NOW I am tempted to go back and follow your suggestion!!!
Thanks again!

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This morning I was preparing to AB the landing gear wells and it dawned on me that I could go ahead and shoot the inside of the gear doors also. In addition I plan to open the air brakes and they are the same interior color as the gear doors. Went to the instruction sheet and located all the landing gear doors, air brakes, etc. Then I saw ejector pin marks--8 on each of the main gear side walls, and more on each gear door. Many of them located in concave areas of the doors. in one pair of doors, the EJP marks are dead in the center of raised rivets/bolts. bummer...........Spent the better part of the morning erasing the marks and prepping everything for paint....I also noticed a LOT of EJP marks on the wing halves and the engine
intakes. Oh well...what is a build without a challenge?

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Hi Ted,
You got a good seat; quickboost stuff is usually very good for the price[thumb] In fact if I can get to the hooby store today I have an early F-15 seat from quick boost waiting for me. The only thing is sometimes thsy do not come with instructions so you are on your own.  The K-36 (as with most modern seats) is rather complicated. The parachute is in the seat pan, held in with a couple of straps, there are then straps that attach the pilot to the 'chute, and then there are belts that are attached to the seat that hold the pilot into place. In the event of ejection, these straps are relesed (severed I beleve) after the seat cleares the aircraft and stablizes, the belts holding the 'chute pack to the seat release and the pilot with parachute attached falls away from the seat. The K-36 is one of the best "zero-zero" seats in the worlld.
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Hi Ted,
You got a good seat; quickboost stuff is usually very good for the price[thumb] In fact if I can get to the hooby store today I have an early F-15 seat from quick boost waiting for me. The only thing is sometimes thsy do not come with instructions so you are on your own.  The K-36 (as with most modern seats) is rather complicated. The parachute is in the seat pan, held in with a couple of straps, there are then straps that attach the pilot to the 'chute, and then there are belts that are attached to the seat that hold the pilot into place. In the event of ejection, these straps are relesed (severed I beleve) after the seat cleares the aircraft and stablizes, the belts holding the 'chute pack to the seat release and the pilot with parachute attached falls away from the seat. The K-36 is one of the best "zero-zero" seats in the worlld.
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You are right of course. I just flipped when I even thought of trying to paint all of that spaghetti bowl of strapping. One of the best ejection scenes I have seen is in "Behind Enemy Lines" with Gene Hackman and Owen Wilson. Wilson and his partner fly over and film a group on the ground and get SAMS fired on their jet. The film shows their attempts at the F-18 escaping the screaming missiles but in the end they get taken out. The ejection sequence is shown in rapid edit style here:

I've read ALL the harsh criticisms about the scene which was a mix of CGI and live images. Bottom line--it is darn EXCITING and I think that the ejection sequence itself is highly accurate?

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Disaster Control officer [DCO]: While discussing the Ejection seat here I simply reached over and picked up the top half of the fuselage with the seat already glued in place [CA glue]. I had dry fitted the seat about 4x and it was really tight front to back. barely had room to slide the joystick in place. I kept thinking that something was wrong but I did not carry out the inquiry. I had not even opened the clear parts bag but decided to sit the canopy in place just to see how it all looked. YIKES! The main part of the canopy was no where near the fuselage! the seat was much too high! What happened????? I kept going over everything in my mind. I finally remembered seeing locating bars in the cockpit tub that correspond to the kit seat, floor and back. I had glued the Resin seat on top of them and that is why the seat was way too high and too far forward. Figuring a "fix" I got the bright idea of decapitating the headrest part of the seat and sanding both parts to bring the height down. That would work, right? NOPE....the seat looked horrible!!!!

1.I should have investigated the poor fit to begin with.

2.If I had kept my wits I could have cut the bottom of the cockpit away, removed the seat, then cut/sanded the bottom and back of the seat away from the cockpit. Then all I had to do was make some "new" cockpit floor from styrene, attach, paint, and abrcadabra.....Seat back in and problem solved!

3.Now that I panicked and really destroyed the seat, what to do? Here is the plan: I am going to cut the cockpit seat area away from underneath the fuselage [fortunately I had not glued the top/bottom fuselage together]. Remove the poor resin seat. Build a replacement for the cut out cockpit floor. Afterwards, I will use the kit seat, maybe scratchbuild some detail for it [especially some seat belts], and intall the kit seat.

I am not going to order another resin seat for this Mig. I will save that purchase for the other Mig.

Pictures? Oh yes, there will be pictures of the "repair"............................DCO out for now.


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Oh, that sucks! I have *almost* learned that over time.....check fit, check fit, check fit, glue *sometimes dosent fit*[confused][biggrin][biggrin]
PM me your address Ted, I have a spare True details or Verlinden K-36 I can send your way.
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Ernie,

That is a generous offer and I appreciate it very much! I think I am going to stick with the kit parts I have and do a bit of scratch building. On the other identical Mig in my stash[only god knows when I will build it?],I will probably look at all the AM kits I can find and incorporate several of them. The combination PE and Resin kit that has the entire 360 cockpit/seat is what I was looking at.Thank you again for your offer. if I change my mind I will send you a message if that is OK? Cheers

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Oh, that sucks! I have *almost* learned that over time.....check fit, check fit, check fit, glue *sometimes dosent fit*[confused][biggrin][biggrin]
PM me your address Ted, I have a spare True details or Verlinden K-36 I can send your way.
Ernie



Ernie,

That is a generous offer and I appreciate it very much! I think I am going to stick with the kit parts I have and do a bit of scratch building. On the other identical Mig in my stash[only god knows when I will build it?], I will probably look at all the AM kits I can find and incorporate several of them. The combination PE and Resin kit that has the entire 360 cockpit/seat is what I was looking at.Thank you again for your offer. if I change my mind I will send you a message if that is OK? Cheers

BTW--Now I can use YOUR tip about the seat cushions from your previous comment--I will have total access to that part of the seat before I add belts.

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Oh, that sucks! I have *almost* learned that over time.....check fit, check fit, check fit, glue *sometimes dosent fit*[confused][biggrin][biggrin]
PM me your address Ted, I have a spare True details or Verlinden K-36 I can send your way.
Ernie



Ernie,

That is a generous offer and I appreciate it very much! I think I am going to stick with the kit parts I have and do a bit of scratch building. On the other identical Mig in my stash[only god knows when I will build it?], I will probably look at all the AM kits I can find and incorporate several of them. The combination PE and Resin kit that has the entire 360 cockpit/seat is what I was looking at.Thank you again for your offer. if I change my mind I will send you a message if that is OK? Cheers

BTW--Now I can use YOUR tip about the seat cushions from your previous comment--I will have total access to that part of the seat before I add belts.


[thumb] Ho prob! If you need the seat, just let me know.
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DCO [disaster control officer here]. Did not get to the bench until about 1600. The resin seat had been put in with CA glue and it popped out easily! YAY, I don't have to cut out the bottom of the cockpit.I reviewed the kit seat again and it was just pitiful [see picture below]. Executive decision time. I opted to use the kit seat headrest of top of the RESIN seat body. Not prime at all but IMHO still miles ahead of the kit seat?Made the switch, then clipped, sanded, repainted, and dusted with some medium gray pastel powder. I also did some very limited silver dry brushing.

TO ERNIE: I USED YOUR SUGGESTION ABOUT THE SEAT CUSHION PAINT EXCEPT....I DID NOT HAVE ANY SATIN OR GLOSS BLACK SO I SIMPLY WENT OVER THE SEAT CUSHION AREAS WITH SOME PLEDGE.WHEN I DUSTED WITH THE PASTEL and IT  ALL LOOKED GOOD. THANKS FOR THE TIP!!!





YES I AM GOING TO CHECK, DOUBLE CHECK AND THEN CHECK THE SEAT CANOPY RELATIONSHIP AGAIN BEFORE GLUE GETS INVOLVED!!!! in FACT I HAVE ALREADY
CHECKED IT TWICE BEFORE I MADE THE HEADREST SWITCH.


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Next order of business: glued upper/lower fuselage halves. the fit gave me a bit of a fit, but we got it done. The rest of the front underside of the fuselage is 4 more pieces. That is a total of 8 pieces for the main fuselage, with 6 of them being in the front 5 inches or so! before I glued the radome [tip of the nose] in place, I added some nose weight to avoid the tail sitter syndrome. I had some split lead fishing shot on hand and glued them together with gel CA--zip kicked it, then mixed some 2-part epoxy and rolled them in it.finally inserted the "weight" inside the fuselage just ahead of the cockpit box. After a while, I glued the tip of the fuselage on and put everything aside to dry.Since I used some CA glue on the nose weight, I will wait as long as possible before attaching the canopy. I don't want any CA fumes messing with that clear canopy! Looking at some of the bits and sub assemblies next.

There is a small vent to be attached on the top of the fuselage near the aft section just off the center-line. It begged to be "opened", so I opened it.









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coming along nicely keep up the good work
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coming along nicely keep up the good work


Thanks! I have been working on the bench some today and should have a few pictures to share pretty soon.

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Off and on the bench most of the day. hope to get some more time later today? Meanwhile, here is a pic of some work on the cans. Trying to pull out a bit of detail since I am not using a RESIN AM set. Still lots more to be done.


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Nice Added detail on the cans there mate, and good looking photo diary [thumb][thumb][thumb]
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