Monogram 1:48 F-4C (completed photos in reveal forum)

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TedUSA

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Posted 1406440211	Reply with quote #31

again, each step of the build/finish is fascinating. learning a lot about the "real" mothballed aircraft as well as your process to create it in a scale model. I think the decals look really nice. did you ever think about dry transfers. I think that hobby lobby has those also--one problem, you have to transfer one letter/number at a time! __________________ Ted pinterest pg. of scale models/dioramas: http://www.pinterest.com/intrstinpintrst/awesome-scale-models/
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Jason Gaspard

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Posted 1406473411	Reply with quote #32

Ted, I thought about the dry transfers for about 5 seconds, thinking of keeping them all lined up made my eyes go crossed, plus I don't think they go small enough last night's progress: Playing with the homemade decals, below is what happens without sealing them with a clear lacquer. I will need to trim them as close as possible to avoid the excess film. Working on they Spraylat technique, here is what I'm doing; thick layer of latex onto the panel, outline with black and fill in with white. I also bleached out the panels a bit more. I am not looking forward to fitting the stabs, the fit is absolutely terrible, the salvage theme may come in handy.. Preparing for the decaling stage I noticed the stars & bars was integrated into the "candy cane" stripe decal, these will need to be cut out. If I had payed attention earlier I could have printed them along with the stencils…oh well. More diorama materials, all free this time. The dirt is too dark for Arizona, which I should be able to remedy with the airbrush once it's been glued down. I am going to try making a tarp from the tissue. Have sprayed the Future coats and letting them cure, then decaling and more weathering. __________________ -Jason
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TedUSA

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Posted 1406486475	Reply with quote #33

really coming along well. when I looked at dry transfer for my F-16, I had the same problem in terms of sizes. when the font was right, the letters/numbers were huge. I wish I had a laser printer, I've just got an inkjet. I can take printing to the local print shop but it would cost a mint. Isn't there a special printer needed to print white on decal film? seems like I read that somewhere? as for the stabs, I guess you have the leeway to be as "creative" as needed? artistic license and all that? IN the photos I have seen of mothballed aircraft, looks like a LOT of variations. it going to finish out really well and unique. absolutely great great idea! __________________ Ted pinterest pg. of scale models/dioramas: http://www.pinterest.com/intrstinpintrst/awesome-scale-models/
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Jason Gaspard

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Posted 1406517974	Reply with quote #34

Todays work: I think leaving the stabilators off would just be a cop out and require scratch building areas I no longer have access to, but this is the engineering solution Monogram/Revell gave me to work with, these tabs are supposed to overlap and glue together on their leading edges. Even IF I could line them up blind, the slit they fit into is too tall and there is way too much play. I need to rework this somehow which will mean respraying the metal, just as well as I cocked up the masking on this side also…no more airbrushing after midnight!! I have some .5mm card which is a good fit (the other side is even better), this is glued in place. I will fill, respray and drill holes to mount with wire. This will be much more robust than gluing that tiny surface area. Can't turn back now! Decals laid down this AM, once dried they were lightly gone over with a fine sanding stick, there is more weathering to go. Used some of my decals (the U.S. AIR FORCE on the sides), they are quite thick and shiny thanks to the clear coat I needed to apply but all in all I'm happy. The other decals will wait till after weathering since they will have been applied more recently and had less exposure. I will also need to touch up the patching around the decals (should have applied them first) and apply the patching over the slime lights, every plane in the boneyard has this done. -Jason __________________ -Jason
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TedUSA

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Posted 1406520983	Reply with quote #35

looking more and more interesting and similar to some of the images I've seen when I was researching Phantom f-4's. great work! __________________ Ted pinterest pg. of scale models/dioramas: http://www.pinterest.com/intrstinpintrst/awesome-scale-models/
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Jason Gaspard

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Posted 1406956877	Reply with quote #36

Thanks for looking everyone! Looking at this after a week away from the bench, I was not happy, I had weathered the decals with a worn sanding sponge followed by heavily thinned layers of base color (XF19 in this case) and faded the paint more, but the look of the sprayed panels was just not right, looking at the reference photos the demarkation needed to be much sharper, so out came the masking tape. Thinking about the real life process I sprayed the edges NATO black XF69 (at first I was using Vallejo Model Air which don't flow well thru my brushes plus straight black and white always look a bit odd in scale, I find it more realistic to avoid pure black and white), let it dry, remasked leaving random amounts of black showing and sprayed back over with slightly darkened XF2 flat white. MUCH better and more realistic...honestly if this did not work I was going to strip it all back and start fresh... after the first masking and application of black, looks worse IMO After remasking and light coats of white. Here I have masked off and sprayed in the slime lights, all photos show this done to every aircraft stored and NO black ever seems to show up, maybe this step is skipped for the lights? I have also sanded back and resprayed the stabilizer attachments, ready to drill and pin, sorry for the out of focus pic of this. This is sealed in with Future and drying off now, wash will be applied tomorrow. I also need to scratch build an extension ladder to reach that open panel on the tail, then start with the remains of the landing gear and all the wires that will be left dangling. __________________ -Jason
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TedUSA

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Posted 1407209382	Reply with quote #37

Not really doing any research on this type of storage, I did not know whether it was proper or not, but I can agree that I like this paint better. well done and we are learning a lot about an unusual model subject. thank you! __________________ Ted pinterest pg. of scale models/dioramas: http://www.pinterest.com/intrstinpintrst/awesome-scale-models/
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Jason Gaspard

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Posted 1407449901	Reply with quote #38

The confidence comes and goes with this one, I know what I want it to look like…just hope my skill set is up to the challenge scratch building wise…thanks for the encouragement. I just realized that since this will be displayed with the port side engine out I will need to build out the other exhaust can as well. This: Became this, just busied up the space a bit, no idea if accurate, basically duplicated the engine I had already built: Wash on wash off: I need this to look like it's been in the desert for several years. While it does not rain much it is torrential when it does, lots of mud splashing up, I left this a little dirty with that in mind, the top surfaces are cleaner, also note the result of the painted Parafilm (needs touched up from wrestling it into place with the extra width I added: Sneak peak at the final display plan: Need to deicide if this is it for weathering or not, I think it may just be…flat varnish next??? I will sleep on it. __________________ -Jason
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quinaultkings

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Posted 1407500091	Reply with quote #39

Some great ideas and yes your skills do seem up to the job! __________________ Cheers Andy Current Build: 1/48 Revell F14D Tomcat Current Build: Revell 1/48 ME410 Hornisse
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Brundledonk

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Posted 1407703817	Reply with quote #40

It really does look good ! I thought it looked fine before you revised the paintwork, but it looks even better now, the shading is superb and has really brought things too life. Your scratch building is excellent, and as Andy said your skills are definitely up to the job Great work ! Pete
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Jason Gaspard

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Posted 1407732386	Reply with quote #41

I had to work this weekend so I missed my favorite modeling time (listening to overnight BBC2 over the internet lol). My weekend started a few hours ago here is today's progress: I decided to add a bit of subtle dust/rain streaking to add a little more dimension, sealed in with Future...I must remember to do this, just like saving my work on the computer! The ladder from the Tamiya kit is one of those fold in half portable jobs from WWII, I made mine to look more modern, I really should scratch build an extension ladder also... I had a long think regarding the radome...none of my reference photos show it disconnected and lying around, either it is all buttoned up or left open once the fire control radar is removed, I have decided to try to model it open. This means I need to sort out the inside, terrible bumps and dips to deal with, thinned green putty applied to be smoothed out and painted tomorrow Found this in the bargain bin, for $9 I could not leave it there... maybe I will use these guys instead, it would eliminate visa issues with ze germans in the tank crew plus the are all posed correctly for working a plane... __________________ -Jason
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kennymc0

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Posted 1407732990	Reply with quote #42

Looking great. Added weathering definitely helped give it that little extra to look like it's been sitting in the arizona desert for years. Probably wouldn't want to go anymore than that though, unless you want it to look like a dust storm rolled through the day before lol. Ground crew find was a real bargain. Looking forward to seeing what comes next. Kenny __________________ -Kenny Current Builds: 1/48 Revell B-25J Mitchell My Figures 1/48 Tamiya P-47M Thunderbolt
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Jason Gaspard

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Posted 1407824374	Reply with quote #43

My thoughts exactly Kenny, the matte coat blended it all in nicely but I could have easily went OTT. Two things accomplished tonight, matte varnish applied: And experimented with making a tarp, I saw this technique done by a man making a car diorama some time ago on youtube, dead simple and very realistic, no new skills needed ... I took a regular facial tissue , made a square and folded it into a triangle, laid it in the approximate area and wetted with thinned white glue (diluted 300%), this was allowed to dry completely Then painted with Tamiya OD green thinned 50/50 with IPA (to speed drying time) once dried I dry brushed OD green cut with deck tan Once that was dry I made a light sludge from pigments and IPA (again to speed up drying time) and applied it, letting it pool in the natural dips. Result: I think I may retry with a lighter color for the tarp, but definitely need to make another one because I had ripped the tissue vs cut it and I need a straight edge on the back side, not a curved one…but as far as experiments go I would declare this a success! Next up, to decide what to install on the underside and what to leave off, need to commit to a plan for the ailerons also lots of cut hoses will need scratch built …. Everyone's builds are coming along so well, I hope you all are enjoying building yours as I am mine!!! -Jason __________________ -Jason
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TedUSA

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Posted 1407826224	Reply with quote #44

great technique with the tissue! thanks for detailing the process. if you use a lighter color it should look more faded. this build is so interesting! can't wait to see each new technique/addition. __________________ Ted pinterest pg. of scale models/dioramas: http://www.pinterest.com/intrstinpintrst/awesome-scale-models/
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quinaultkings

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Posted 1407865480	Reply with quote #45

Yes I like that technique Jason, thanks. I agree with you and Ted, if this tarp is being used in the desert then it would fade like mad. Not sure you need a straight edge on the one you have done, it looks fine to me...just fade the colour...but it is of course up to you. __________________ Cheers Andy Current Build: 1/48 Revell F14D Tomcat Current Build: Revell 1/48 ME410 Hornisse
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