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Gadjung

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Hi! 
I've finally decided to bye my first airbrush. Until now, i never use one and did't know anything about them. So, looking through site https://airbrushes.com/ i found this:
https://airbrushes.com/product_info.php?cPath=400_403_2_156&products_id=22152
What do you think about it as a starter kit? I worried about price. It looks too cheap for all kit, or, maybe it's normal? 
Thanks in advance! 

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Not familiar with the company or product but they state that they have been making AB systems for 20+ years. Here is one place to begin evaluating?

http://www.sparmaxair.com/

and here is an entire page of video reviews of the sparmax products:

Complaints Sparmax Arisma Mini - - Yahoo Video Search Results


I paid about the same price for my Veda AB and I have used it for over 2 years with no major problems. Had to replace gaskets/seals once.My other AB's are Evolution brand. As for compressor, I paid about $225 for one from a company in the US--California. It has a backup tank and will run pretty much endlessly as long as I have a small fan blowing on the compressor pump.

At least the company offers Guarantees on the products so keep all paperwork if you purchase from them and fill out "registration" forms as required.

Good luck.

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Gadjung

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Thanks Ted! It's usefull info. Looks like good kit. But 0.4mm is enough for models?
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I think that 0.3mm or smaller is preferred? but not an expert on AB stats. My Veda is 0.3mm
My Evolution AB's are 0.2mm and 0.3mm---You can get a 0.15 in more expensive AB systems.

Never used a 0.4 needle/Nib before so I don't know about differences.

Lots of guys here who are AB gurus that hopefully will chime in to help?
If no one else comments, PM me here and I will drop a few names--OK?

I'm the member here on Genessis who is like the comedian before the main attraction at a venue. I just do warm up while we wait on the "real thing" you came to see/hear. LOL

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[biggrin] Thanks again Ted, you already was a lot of help! 
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I heard pretty good things about sparmax, I think they are a big step up from the no-name ones but more importantly you can get spare parts for them. A good option if you look after a not so expensive airbrush is the Harder & Steenbeck Ultra I've not owned one but I've tested them and as a beginner AB it's great. https://www.everythingairbrush.com/airbrushes/harder-steenbeck-airbrushes/airbrushes-harder-steenbeck-airbrushes-harder-steenbeck-airbrushes-ultra.html

I only owned two brushes the first was one was of those no-name ones and it worked ok...difficult to clean and when I bent the needle it was bye bye. But it was good enough for me to learn with. After that I bought a Harder & Steenbeck Infinity and I absolutely love it!! 

Regarding needle size I have used 0,15mm, 0,2mm and 0,4mm ones with my Infinity and in the first months I swapped needles all the time but then I just settled with the 0,4mm one. I can just about make as fine lines with that size as the smaller ones, just need to be a little more gentle on the trigger. The big upside with the bigger needle is that there's less problem with the nozzle clogging.

Another issue is the compressor, the one you looking at doesn't have any tank and no auto on/off which means that it will run as long as you don't shut it off and if you don't do that you risk damage it. Again I started with a similar design but I would recommend you to have a look at something with a small airtank and auto on/off function in that way the compressor only runs when the pressure in the tank is too low and you will get a nice steady airflow.

Maybe this set is an alternative in the same price bracket https://www.everythingairbrush.com/airbrushing-kits-brand/value-kit-range/harder-steenbeck-kits/ab-as-186-airbrushing-kit-with-ultra-airbrush.html

Don't know anything about the quality of the compressor but it has all the right features.

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My Evolution AB's are 0.2mm and 0.3mm---You can get a 0.15 in more expensive AB systems.

Never used a 0.4 needle/Nib before so I don't know about differences.



Are you sure that you don't have a 0,4 mm in the Evolution? I'm pretty sure that they (Harder&Steenbeck) don't do any 0,3mm needles at least not in Europe (only 0,15mm 0,2mm 0,4mm and 0,6mm.)

My intention isn't to correct you, just to give an hint that I think that you maybe have experience of  0,4 mm needles [smile]

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Hi Gadung 

Im not sure about the model you are looking at, but...

I have Sparmax Compressor though mine is larger and comes with a tank, TC-620X
I beleive they are an umbrella company of Harder and Steenbeck? i know in my booklet it mentions them ...
Im pretty sure i have that exact airbrush that comes with this kit too, and it works fine for me
I also use a H&S Evolution and it comes with 0.2mm and 0.4mm

Are you going to buy from the UK or in Russia?

You would need an adapter for the power cable if you buy from UK

I would recommend this company, not sure if they do ship to Russia though, but the guy is very helpful

http://www.air-craft.net/


Edit ... they are distributed in Europe by H&S not owned or built by.

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Gadjung

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Thanks for advices. Looks like that airbrush is ok, but compressor without pressure tank is a bad thing? Or if I will shut it down then I'm not spraying, it's ok? Or there are might be problems with not so steady airflow?
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I don't really know much about the compressor to be honest, I used to use one without a tank at work for cake decorating, and it ran constant I found it really annoying, but the flow was fine

If you can I would wait and save a little bit more and get one with a tank, the brush is fine and so is the one Daniel recommended the h&s ultra

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Totally agree with Steven, the airbrush will be fine I'm sure, just wanted to give you an alternative that I know for a fact is a good beginner airbrush.

I've never seen or used the sparmax compressor you are looking at. But I can tell you about my experience with a similar design. As Steven said the constant noise is annoying, I ran mine over quite long sessions and it became really hot but never malfunctioned, I did found the airflow to be pulsating from time to time especially with lower pressure settings, and the lack of a moisture trap made mine spit water which was a real pain I did however get a regulator and moisture trap for it but then I could have gotten a better one for about the same money in the first place.

In my opinion it's worth the extra money to get one with a tank, auto on/off and moisture trap. Such compressor will serve you over many years even if in the future you decide to upgrade the airbrush.

Good luck with your purchase!

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My experience with airbrushes is if you want the best finish you have to have the best brush.

Both Iwata and H & S brushes superbly engineered. Both provide spares for all parts of their airbrushes (Iwata not the main body).

H & S are particularly good at providing a multi use of needle/nozzle for each airbrush, .6 .4 .2 and .18. Iwata are mostly one needle/nozzle
for each brush. some are two needle sizes.

They are both superb airbrushes and will last a life time (human that is).

H & S is probably better for a first airbrush. They are simpler and far easier to dismantle and give a through clean. Iwata are a pain to dismantle
and clean. But Iwata will give you the better finish.

Note that the Neo Iwata is not manufactured by Iwata but bought in. I believe it is Chinese. Ii would not recommend it as I have read so many
articles in which the Neo has been a problem as have many airbrushes bundled with a compressor. Many of those bundled do not have the
spares available needles nozzles and seals. Also watch out the cheaper airbrushes do not have seals which are resistant to some of the paints available.

On needle size this depends on the paint you are using.

On compressors Sparmax are a good manufacturer. They actually supply their compressors to third parties badged as an instance Iwata. But
you will pay more for the Iwata. The cheap Chinese compressors are good but it depends on your luck as to whether you have one which lasts
13 months (grantee 12months) or as my  latest 3 years so far. They all provide the same air. It is how hardy. Sparmax is better.

On compressors. To get an even air flow you need a tank. The motor with a tank will shut off when up to pressure. But it will be on and off quite
often to replenish the tank. If funds can stretch then a twin piston is better. This will replenish the tank quicker and hence the motor will not run
so often.

On noise they are noisy. I have made an enclosure which I have lined with a 2" thick noise reduction foam. Inlet and out let at the back for venting.
This has reduced the noise to a level that I do not notice.

Ouch I have been going on.

Laurie









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I just watched a review on this as i was interested in getting one for work since its smaller and easier to transport.

i like that it has a "smart stop" when you place the airbrush in the holder it automatically turns off ... and back on again when you lift the airbrush off the holder

you can check the video below

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=features&file=view&artid=




EDIT .... Sorry i never realised there was two versions of the Arism Compressor the review above is a different version not part of the deal you linked in the opening post

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Originally Posted by Alba83
I just watched a review on this as i was interested in getting one for work since its smaller and easier to transport.

i like that it has a "smart stop" when you place the airbrush in the holder it automatically turns off ... and back on again when you lift the airbrush off the holder

you can check the video below

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=features&file=view&artid=

EDIT .... Sorry i never realised there was two versions of the Arism Compressor the review above is a different version not part of the deal you linked in the opening post


Could not get Armorama up to study it. But it does sound as if it is a compressor with out a tank.

With a tank you just turn on the compressor and it regulates itself. Also gives you an even supply of air plus it turns off when the tank is up to full pressure. This way you are not running the motor all the time.

With a tankless compressor the motor runs all the while.

Laurie

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Gadjung

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That all was very helpfull. Another big thanks to all! 
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