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Amacrftmodeller

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Hi everyone! I have a lot of kits with raised panel lines and I would like to know how to rescribe them so they are recessed panel lines. P.S. I don't own a rescribing tool.
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Hi, well to start off with I've seen a few guys that could chuck a sewing needle in a pin vise and use that to rescribe panel lines. I've never been able to get on with that method, I went and bought 2 scribing tools from UMM-USA.com. If you go to that page search scr-01 and 02, I believe theres a video there as well showing how to do it. 
 not sure if the link works or not but if you put in the search Scribing panel lines you'll see a video buy John Vojtech. Should get you where you want to go
                   Good Luck, Dave

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hey look  it worked....dam sometimes I surprise myself....lol
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good ... was that you can find for redrawing;
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Thanks rusty, this'll help!
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amacrftmodeller,

Lots of guys here with so much more experience than myself but I have 2 older kits with raised panel lines but I still want to build them. Besides, I figure by the time you re-scribe a whole kit you should be a scribing god--lol. I bought the Tamiya scribers, an older larger one and a smaller tool. However, I have wound up using a very slim dental tool for most of the scribing work I have done. there is a picture of it in my Mig build. I also bought the RP Productions scriber that is a stainless steel photo etch blade with the tiny saw teeth on the back of the blade. it is perfect for scribing panel lines around the edges of wings and fuselage curves. If you are going for a whole kit re-scribe, you will probably definitely need at least one store bought tool if you can swing it. best wishes!

I was thinking about doing my scribing next to [against] the raised lines, THEN sanding the raised lines off after I have finished scribing? I felt like the raised lines would be the perfect "guide" for a tool to follow. I know the new lines would be a bit off, but sure would take a lot of struggling out of the process?? I need to watch the video above.

edit: and I did watch the video and it is impressive. nice tool. makes me want one!

so I googled the tool in the video:

http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?products_id=474

  02/04/14,  0340-----OK, I just ordered one! Let you guys know about the tool when I receive it...I'm a sucker[crazy]

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I think Ted is right, I would do the same, scribe along the raised lines and then sand them off, you will find that you will lose some of the raised detail when you clean up the seams on the fuselage joins anyway. you may find it useful to get a scribing template to reinstate any access panel etc that get removed. I got a geometry stencil from the stationers that is handy for shapes but it is not really flexible enough to bend around curves
Although I will say this, I have a tamiya 1/32 f-14 unfinished because the main body has raised lines
And I'm to chicken to rescribe it lol if it was 1/48 it might have got finished
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Pete,

After simply trying to re-scribe some detail I lost while filling/sanding the Mig29 [my 2nd build], I got "scribeaphobia" [its characterized buy a dizzy feeling and profuse sweating when you touch a scribing tool of any kind]. it was my first real attempt and I got lots of experience, most of it the agony of defeat!LOL. I decided not to re-scribe the entire F-16 I am building now--its all raised detail. I have not given up....................will eventually jump back on the proverbial horse!

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Hehe I'm with ya Ted, I can only just bare to rescribe 1or 2 lines , but a whole aircraft , not on your Nellie lol
I like f-16s one of the first models I made when I came back to the hobby was a 1/32 revell f-16 I still have it
It was a nightmare ! it's built and painted but I gave up on it when I got to the ordinance, I have in the stash a Hasegawa 1/32 f-16 I bought because it was so much cheaper than the Tamiya , I wish I'd looked in the box first because it has raised and recessed lines lol I guess I will have to face up to scribeaphopia because I really want to build it
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Hi Guy's.
While reading this I just had an idea.
First off, I like the procedure of scribing next to the raised line. If you use a guide you may be able to scribe the new line and get rid of the raised one all at the same time. Will have to try that.
My thought was to remove the raised lines at each juncture and use a sewing needle to punch a dimple there. Then you could remove the raised line and re-scribe it using a guide between the dimples. You could do a few at a time or just one. Not sure I would want to remove all the raised lines and then start the re-scribe. I would lose the bubble there at some point. Will have to check my stash for a raised panel line model and try it.
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I posted these images/comments in another forum, but felt like they also belonged here for reference? these are the tools I currently have, but by no means are they all inclusive or "better" than anyone else's tool.Many modelers chuck a needle in a a pin vise and do incredible work.

"....Here are the basic ones. I find that I use the dental tool with the single tip quite a bit. really gets into small, tight areas easily. each tool has its use.



closeups of the business ends of the scribing tools.



I also had the black, SMALLER Tamiya scriber, but cannot find it!
Anyway, I have plenty of tools, but my skills are amateur at best. none of the tools are magic. they all require lots of practice, trial and error, etc......"


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Hi Guy's.
While reading this I just had an idea.
First off, I like the procedure of scribing next to the raised line. If you use a guide you may be able to scribe the new line and get rid of the raised one all at the same time. Will have to try that.
My thought was to remove the raised lines at each juncture and use a sewing needle to punch a dimple there. Then you could remove the raised line and re-scribe it using a guide between the dimples. You could do a few at a time or just one. Not sure I would want to remove all the raised lines and then start the re-scribe. I would lose the bubble there at some point. Will have to check my stash for a raised panel line model and try it.
John


very good idea. I think we all just need to give different techniques a try on some old kit parts and see what turns out the best. I am guessing it will be some combination of techniques??

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Hi Guy’s.

   Well I went and found a few old kits from the 70s/80s in my stash. 1/100 scale airliners. I have two of the 727s and they really have raised panel lines.

   I played with the RB scriber, Tamiya P cutter and a few others. The problem I had with the “pull” scribers was that I kept hopping the raised panel line and going where I shouldn’t. Control issue with me. My hands may be too big to use those in this situation.         

   The procedure of punching a small hole at each intersection, sanding the raised panel line and then scribing the line using a rule works well. I just need to find some way of adding a non slide surface on the bottom of the rule so it will stay where I want it.  

   I have both the UMM SCR-01 and SCR-02 scribers.  I really like these for this job. Laying it against the line and pushing it to the other end will leave a “trench” along the raised panel line. Doing this several times will make it deep enough to then use the other end of the UMM scribe or the RB or Tamiya P-cutter.

   The problem I had with this kit was the type of plastic used. It is a white, luminescent, hard plastic thats tough to work with ( may be it’s age).  I really had problems seeing the  cut I was making with the scriber.  Hummmmm. Maybe I will take a black magic marker and go over all the lines. This may give me the contrast I need to see what I doing. I’ll try that this week.

   Hope some of this helps. I think i have quite a few more old kits stashed away that have raised lines.

 

John


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