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 OOB Build Options
 Basic Kit Only 11 84%
 Allow Multi Media Kits 2 15%
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What can you do with just the parts provided?

Any scale. Any genre. Any vehicle.

This can be far more challenging than you would expect, depending on the kit. I'll let you guys decide if scratch building will be allowed or not allowed.

Cheers mates. [smile]
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What about Profi packs ? [wink]

Nice and open idea though, scratch should definitely be allowed
as an idea like this is all about making the most out of a little !
Plus any excuse to encourage Scratch Building is never a bad thing [smile]

I like it though, reminds me of the "Cheap as Chips" idea [smile]

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Good idea but I see no poll!!!
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If you like this one Neil you might like this one as well, M. Brindos like's it too [biggrin]
I'ts a similar idea but on a more regular basis kind of thing, see what you think [smile]

http://genessis-models.websitetoolbox.com/post/cheap-as-chips-rapid-monthly-mini-side-groupbuild-for-oobs-with-cheap-kits-no-upgrades-7472605?pid=1287720166#post1287720166

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Then there is also the open possibility of a WingMan kit or a Royal Class Eduard offering, I was certainly thinking about putting a second OOB WingMan Mirage 5 on the bench when they arrive from Lucky Models ... Would make a change from updating a nineties kit for me

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Hate to sound snobish Choppa but I don't buy cheap kits..god that sounds terrible lol but it's just the fact that I HATE filling and sanding and rescribing...so I tend to go for the more quality manufactured kits with one exception and that's the Revell Germany new tooling kits 1/32 and 1/48's they are really good for the small price they sell them for. Sorry for the rambling lol ..so thats a no for me on the cheap headache kits lol...
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Seems that the option of making this a poll is not available on android.
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Depends where you set the bar really, there are loads of good kits under £20 [smile]
Eduard weekends, etc. £40 + is expensive for most of us mere mortals [wink]

Anyhow, seems to me buying expensive kits with all the upgrades included seems to be going against the spirit of this idea really [smile]

Anyhow, it ain't snobbish to say what you like [smile]


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Hate to sound snobish Choppa but I don't buy cheap kits..god that sounds terrible lol but it's just the fact that I HATE filling and sanding and rescribing...so I tend to go for the more quality manufactured kits with one exception and that's the Revell Germany new tooling kits 1/32 and 1/48's they are really good for the small price they sell them for. Sorry for the rambling lol ..so thats a no for me on the cheap headache kits lol...

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I guess I kinda fit in with Neil in so far as I don't build basic kits anymore because I'm looking for more realism as a scale model, but it has to be siad that buying a multi-media limited edition kit that includes resin, etch and decent decals generally represents a major saving over buying the kit and then all of the required after market parts! I do try very hard to present you guys with the opportunity to get a lot more 'bang for your buck' by letting you know of offers that I see, so Choppa Nutta, I hear what you say but I have posted some seriously good kits that would fit into a mid range £30 category, or even some of the more expensive ones remember contain multiple kits within the boxing.

To each their own ... There are no right or wrong ways here. What I do object to however is where a manufacturer places a very old kit in a box with new artwork and decals and then lures an unsuspecting modeller in, or indeed an expensive new tooling where you need to spend a fortune in parts to correct the build!

The Airfix 1/48th scale Hurricane is a great example of an inexpensive kit from a new tooling that is both cheap and offers great accurate value

Whereas the Tarangus 1/48th scale Viggen is an very expensive kit at £65 which then needs to increase to a £150+ build to correct it and present it in the awesome splinter camo ... even the etches and masks are sub-contracted to Eduard and then resold at a markup (obviously also avoiding any BunnyClub discounts as well)

This was a bridge too far far even for me as much as I did want that SAAB delta, and instead got three WingMan delta kits from Lucky Models along with their very attractive 20% anniversary discount (still available until the end of this month)

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OK Guys,

I have also added a Poll option as requested ...
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Peter, your efforts regarding good bargains will always be appreciated [smile]

And yes, the "super" kits that come with almost everything do represent
better value for money buying separately. However when the proposal is
"What can you do with just the parts provided?" seems rather mute if the
kit you get is loaded with upgrades, seems no different to buying Airfix
1/48th scale Hurricane
and then buying a PE cockpit set and masks and
call that a "What can you do with just the parts provided?" build....  

I totally get why the fancy kits are so attractive and they are difficult
to compete with hence this idea to level the playing field by making it a
"What can you do with just the parts provided?" build, or at least thats
the way it came across to me
otherwise you might as well say -
"A Total Free For All GB" or "What can you do with just the parts provided
in a super fancy, fully loaded kit ?", which would seem to me to be another
suggestion entirely
[smile]

Anyhow, thats my view on it hence my suggesting it was quite similar to
the "Cheap as Chips" idea. [smile]

We could always suggest a "The Most Expensive Kit You Can Afford" GB [biggrin]

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Well my vote for "The Most Expensive Kit You Can Afford" GB [biggrin] goes automatically to the the Tarangus 1/48th scale Viggen with all the necessary resin corrections to make it work! Makes the new 1/32 Tamiya Mossie look 'cheap' [tongue]

My view ultimately is mute since my entry would be correctly automatically disqualified (as an Admin), however I remember the conversation on the first Group Build with Bobby and we came to the conclusion that any judging should rightly be made based on the skill of the modeller and NOT the cost of the parts he/she added, which in any case require a completely different skill set to pull off correctly.

Price is not a necessary requirement to achieve a good model, please take a look at my current build which is definately 'a labour of love'. The limited Edition mixed media Eduard/Heller kit can be acquired on eBay for sub £20 and since this is a Ninety's kit, requires a heck of a lot of scratch building, TLC and rescribing to make it into a 'Scale Model'. I did add additionally an Aires Resin Exhaust because the bare tube is completely unrealistic, a further sub £4 Eduard etch to get the panels and because I really, really loved the paint scheme I added a new set of Tiger decals.

You could certainly build this OOB for just short of £20, and with two more in my Stash this is certainly my intention ... a bare metal 'Tiger' looks almost as cool as this 'Year of the Tiger'. To get the best from such an OOB venture you would need to adopt most of the additional work detailed in my build thread and it would certainly get my vote!

BUT when judging you have to then consider and compare favourably what a younger or less accomplished modeller has managed to achieve with a more basic kit such as the new tool Hurricane!

The cost of the kit is simply just not the end game, and indeed what about the cost of all of those paints, filters, washes ... not to mention the airbrush.

ONLY my ramblings BTW [crazy] but I just felt that to restrict it to just simple kits might stop other forum members entering, don't know, hence the poll.
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I thought the HK Models 1/32 Catalina with all it's upgrades starts reaching for the
thousand pound mark, silly money really but then they are awesome models ! [smile]

Yeah that is an awesome build you've got going there, definitely not a "Cheap as Chips" ! [biggrin]
To be fair though that sort of modelling is more suited to the big 6 month group builds,
the Cheap as Chips is a smaller monthly group build that can play with ideas the big GB
wouldn't entertain, the emphasis being do more with less kind of idea. A more modest
event as a side bar to the main event for us mere mortals [smile] 

No reason not to vote for it really [wink] [biggrin]

Anyhow, re. equipment and pigments etc. sure, fortunes can be spent but I've seen
amazing results with hand brushing, cheap pastels and a few select products so
great results need not be expensive, but those extras are nice but I kinda like the
making the most out of a little.

I think making it OOBee might encourage more of the lesser experienced/younger
modellers as well as those that enjoy this kind of challenge, plus it might be less
intimidating for some, having a lighthearted side GB and a good way for improving
and experimenting with technique in an inexpensive way but making it goal
orientated too .

Yeah the whole OOBee Dooby thing would make a great side build, a month or two
long each,get to explore loads of different topics. [smile]


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Well you guys definitely have the spirit of the idea lol.

My idea however is not lost in what type of kit you buy. Whether it be an expensive kit with all the doodads or just a cheap old Revell kit.

The skill and attention to details, and most importantly, the love of the craft in which the kit is built would be the true focus of winning such a competition. Just because someone buys a an expensive kit with resin, PE, Cartograph decals and the like, doesn't guarantee they will have the best finished kit in the end.

I think I have proven that with a lot of my builds lol.

Only the finished model will be judged. [wink]

Thank you Provenance for pointing that out. It is the spirit in which we compete that makes it fun. Winning is merely a bonus. [biggrin]
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Some good points and I agree on the spirit of which we enter and are judged etc.


But I would suggest that upon re-reading the opening gambit that the notion of
making the most out of a little is strongly implied here, a notion which is also
reflected in the votes [smile]

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"What can you do with just the parts provided?  -Any scale. Any genre. Any vehicle.

This can be far more challenging than you would expect, depending on the kit. I'll let
you guys decide if scratch building will be allowed or not allowed."
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If you allow kits with upgrades you might as well upgrades is all I am saying but then
this idea becomes any kit, any upgrade.

I realise upgrades doesn't automatically make you a great modeller but they are a
great leg up towards achieving a good final result and would certainly take more
skill & effort to recreate from scratch. It would also represent the greater challenge [smile]

For me I Liked this idea because of the getting back to basics and getting
creative with what you have.

Well anyway that's pennies worth [biggrin]



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