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yeah on the riveting, I have the RB productions Rivet-r, but the wheels I have suit 1:48 and 1:72 and they leave small lines. It's ok on the smaller scales but would look naff at 1:32. They do make a smaller version that cuts into tight corners that apparently rivets round holes, I have that on order. I'm just making a jig up out of styrene, sounds much like your etched templates (I have some of those too), that will sit in the recessed (or against the raised may be easier) panel line that will have guide rivet holes drilled into it. I have made it long enough to have different sets of spacings. It's just drying at the minute I'll post a picture when it's all done (if it's successful. lol). This way I can use the recessed panel line as a quick distance reference, get my pin viced sewing needle, and just blap, blap, blap. If you know what I mean. lol

As for the intakes, yeah there are a few vague instructions on how other people have fixed them, including my link above and google a guy Masa Narita, who's done an extensive (and considered the benchmark) build of this kit with a proper intake tube. They just used thin styrene sheet and formed a tube (an over-simplified description. lol). 
So there's a bit of work ahead. lol

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i hate scribing but detest riveting even more lol ! I can just about handle reinstating lines and rivets that get sanded away, I don't think I have the patience to do a whole airframe.
The spacing templates that come with the MDC tool look a bit like a "saw blade" you tape them down and the tool fits in the gaps and gives you even spacings and the metal parts give you a choice of a spike or a hollow tube, so you can get different rivet effects, I'll snap a couple of pics in the morning
Needle in a pin vice works great too, I still use a similar technique, I found a tool in the craft shop years ago that is like a spike on a scalpel handle and it's much comfier in the hand, I'm curious to see the jig you have made too, I love the Heath Robinson solutions we modellers come up with in times of need, a lot of times these inventions are better than anything available to buy

The intakes do look like a challenge, on mine the intake ramps have already been glued in the lowest position, so to be honest not a lot can be seen down them, but I will have a look to see if I can improve them

I am hoping to get a bit of bench time tomorrow, my timber delivery didn't turn up ( we've been snowed in !) so mancave will have to wait, so I will sit down and try to figure out where I am in my build, and maybe glue the bombs and start the landing gear

I will go back and have a look at the link and give masa narita a Google

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I actually don't mind scribing this one, because it's pretty easy. It's the tricky ones when you can't get the template to sit still and stupid angles that sh#$ me off. lol

I'll post a pic when the jig is done, you'll probably see it in your morning cos I have some running around to do now, so I'll put down the "grippy" glue now and that will have time to set.

It took me a couple of hours to clean up half a Phoenix missile yesterday. [rofl] This is going to not be a weekend build that's for sure. 


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I just did a test run with "Simons Rivet Jig Mk.I" and it worked a treat. lol It looks like there are 3 different rivet spacings on the front fuselage section. 4.5mm, 5mm and 5.5mm. All with a 0.5mm distance from the panel line. I made the 5mm jig first I'll make the others next. Edit: Scratch those measurements I'm using a 1:350th scale ruler! [rofl] I'll get back to you all with the standard measurements, if I can.
When I've refined them all (and the technique), I'll post all the info here and on my help thread. [biggrin]

Later dudes!

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A small distraction (like 1:144 small lol). Just back from the LHS with more styrene for the jiggy jig jigging.
Scored this, couldn't resist. I'll knock it up when we're all bored with scribing etc.
Got to keep you ... riveted somehow! (loud applause!!!) [cool]



Nigel! Can I expect any fit issues? [rofl][rofl]

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Ok back to the jigs. I set up some prototypes to see if they work in principle. They do, and it's quick once you get them made. a few things. I didn't drill the holes quite big enough (I used a 0.5mm drill) for the sewing needle so when you used it initially the needle would stick a bit and pull the jig back up with it. I think it also made it move a bit too so the alignment looks a little off. I measured and remeasured before I marked the holes, checked everything and it looked pretty good. As you can see in the photo it's a bit all over the place, but in principle, it works fine.

The jigs are just a strip of styrene with two much smaller strips tacked on them. I was hoping the really small strip would slot into the recessed panel lines, but it doesn't. I think in hindsight the only thing that would would be a strip of brass from a PE fret, but anyway, I just lined it up against the panel line and away I went. I did cut out some 90° notches to enable some flexibility. I also ran a line of PVA glue along the wider strip on the back edge to give it a bit of grip, and it does, nicely. I'll give them a shot on the big Cat and let you know how they go.




I did do a little sample on the lower fuselage and I think it looks fine. There are a few further away holes, that was from my first attempt I can sand them back or just leave them. The panel lines in this shot are still raised. As you can see they still take a pigment brush ok.


Oh I was in the local Haberdasher (Spotlight here in Aus), and bought a new cutting mat. I also got one of these, a rotary cutter normally used for fabric. I thought it would be rather good for cutting pieces off PE frets.
Haven't tried that yet but I've used it to cut parts off of sprues and for precision cutting styrene. And it does both jobs quite nicely. The blade is about half the thickness of a No.11 blade so the styrene doesn't distort when you cut it. It also means parts don't get stressed when you cut them off the sprue. Not sure I'll use it for that very much, but it still works.


Thanks for looking. Won't get much else done today, beer and pizza in less than an hour. [wink]

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The new rivets look great mate, very clever idea on those jigs too !
I guess this kit isn't too bad to rescribe as the main areas are quite flat on this bird (there is just so much area lol !) it will definitely be worth all the work in the end though as it will really add a lot to the finished look.

The little Tomcat is great too, you will be able to hang it off of pylon lol

I'm going to have a go at mine in a little while, I have got to walk my daughter to school 1st. There wasn't much more snow last night, but the roads are frozen solid and I live at the top of a hill, so it's not going anywhere until the thaw comes, it's crazy how a few inches of snow brings everything to a standstill over here


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Yeah exactly right re easy to scribe and rivet. That's why I decided to tackle it. These jigs won't suit a lot of stuff probably. Looking forward to seeing the result of course.

But right now I'm sitting out the back of a mates place in shorts and T-shirt drinking Wild Turkey about to eat pizza.
Have fun in the snow mate. [biggrin]

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Sitting outside in the heat drinking Wild Turkey, sounds like a dream

I don't think I'll be slipping into my budgie smugglers and lighting the Barbie for a while yet
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That's your joint??? That's nuts! I only ever see weather like that on bad American movies. [wink] Rug up mate, actually it's a bit chilly here tonight, yeah just checked my phone, 19, no wonder I'm shivering. [tongue]
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That's your joint??? That's nuts! I only ever see weather like that on bad American movies. [wink] Rug up mate, actually it's a bit chilly here tonight, yeah just checked my phone, 19, no wonder I'm shivering. [tongue]


Lol ! The crazy thing, is that 5 minutes down the road they hardly had any snow, but where I live is a lot higher, and as it's such a tiny villiage they don't bother to grit the roads, it's warming up here now, it's a toasty 1 degree, but heavy wind and rain are forecast so the snow will be gone soon

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Evening folks, I'm too inebriated to post anything progressive build-wise. But I thought it'd be cool to do a bit of an inbox of this Revell 1:44 Black Tomcat.
As I said I spotted it today at my local and thought it would be a lovely accompaniment to my latest build. Maybe a time to play while I'm waiting for 3 acres of plastic to dry. Anyway, to my delight when I got home and open the box, it's quite a sexy little thing. So I'll spread her out and let you be the judge ok?

Here are the pics:

This is the paperwork. You get two choices with markings - VF-142 "Ghostriders", CVW-6, U.S. Navy and "Vandy One", Air Test and Evaluation Squadron VX-4, NAS Pt Mugu, California, USA, 1991. Which I think is awfully decent of Revell at this scale. The instructions are typical Revell, their paint callouts/mixes are also typical. It all seems pretty standard, even though it's a, less than 2 beer, very small, kit.


Here are the decals and clear part, and the exhaust nozzles. You know I'm going to metalise them up, they are going to come up quite well I think. The canopy appeared ok, but to be honest it was tangled up and floating around loose with all the sprues, not to be unexpected I guess, so I haven't looked at it at any great depth. I kinda went, I'll deal with that later. But check the decals out, over on the right side. Decals for the IP's and side panels if you don't mind. Gonna have to pull serious macro just so you guys can see it! lol


The front fuselage, cockpit tub and intakes. This is where is starts to get a little remarkable. The panel lines are WAY overscale. But they're there and they look like loads of fun. Starting to salivate a bit.


Here's the upper fuselage and some armament. The detail just shines out at you. Anyone else imagining it fully dressed and weathered as a full-blown active service jobby?


The lower fuselage and wings, which, at first glance, look like they are moveable (they are, I already checked). So we even get bits that move at this scale.


That's all but listen, I don't know about you but here's a little pocket money kit that is, and forever will be, a classic Airplane. And I'm kinda tempted to give this a little more attention than I had originally planned. So it might be a side build, but it won't be a one day job.
Hope you enjoyed my little inbox review of this cute little kit. [smile]

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It's a great looking little kit Simon, I remember being very impressed with the level of detail when I saw it in Nigel's build, amazing that they give decals for the instruments too
I reckon it will be a fun little project

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Ok back on the big bird. First little snag with the scribing. I wanted to add panel lines to the underneath of the engine covers and was trying to get a reference as to where they went. Can't seem to make any sense out of the online drawings. So I used the existing panel lines in the centre of the fuselage and extended them over the engine (one side only thankfully). I got painted into a corner then it hit me to dry fit the rest of the fuselage pieces and see where the upper panel lines joined the lower fuselage.

Bummer, not where I had scribed.

In the photo there is a line that looks more like a mould defect than a panel line as it goes right through the middle of ..something in the lower centre fuselage. (where I've got that big block of text. lol) So I thought it was just something I needed to sand out completely. Wrong, it marries up with a panel line on the upper fuselage. I'm going to have to fill and sand the lines I've cut and start again. It's not too bad and if that's all that goes wrong with this procedure I won't complain.
I've just started using Gimp so my apologies if the photo editing is a little confusing. lol




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Ok I have superglued the "I don't know what I was thinking" scribe lines and downloaded a clearer master drawing of the F-14. I've decided that the "making it up as I go along" approach isn't going to work. So I will attempt at replicating the actual panel lines (or at least the main ones) so they look like they marry up top and bottom. I will apologise now but this build thread will be very boring for a while, but the end result will be worth it I'm sure.

A few pics basically more of the same, although I am also giving the existing (very shallow) recessed panel lines a seeing to as well, I don't want to go to all this effort just to have the factory lines disappear after the first coat of primer. Also the rivets get a seeing to. It'll look messy until the entire thing is fine sanded and polished.
And my new, very shiny, toy. This, I am hoping, will cope with the big areas well, where my el cheapo would've definitely struggled (it's now assigned to ready-5 status). lol







Thanks for looking.

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