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The mislaid lines have been taken care of. I used my new Step Sanders for some of the tight stuff. They are very good at getting into tight places. So they will come in handy for sure.

I have finished scribing and riveting one intake this morning, these aren't too bad as the panel lines are faintly recessed anyway. You can see the difference after a pigment brush. The rivets aren't 100% neat, but neither are they on the actual plane anyway. I don't think it will be a huge factor in the final result anyway, I'm hoping there will be too much to look at elsewhere. lol Anyway, I'm happy with the result and it's worth the effort.





Thanks for looking, comments always welcome.

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That last picture really does highlight the difference your work has made to the parts. All the effort will definitely make a lot of difference to the finished model.
The new brush looks very smart mate, I bet it feels better than the old one.

I hadn't really noticed the feint panel lines on the kit, I might have to deepen them on mine. Are you going to sand the raised panels on the nose ? I was thinking about leaving them as they are and hoping they don't stand out too much after the paint goes on, but seeing your work, is making me have a rethink

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Looking good Simon really nice Job so far.
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That last picture really does highlight the difference your work has made to the parts. All the effort will definitely make a lot of difference to the finished model. The new brush looks very smart mate, I bet it feels better than the old one. I hadn't really noticed the feint panel lines on the kit, I might have to deepen them on mine. Are you going to sand the raised panels on the nose ? I was thinking about leaving them as they are and hoping they don't stand out too much after the paint goes on, but seeing your work, is making me have a rethink Pete


Yeah I was thinking about those raised panels today actually Pete. I will sand them down, may as well I'm sanding everything else. lol
And yeah it wouldn't hurt to run a scribe down the existing recessed panel lines on the rear fuselage, they are mighty shallow.
The new brush is fantastic mate, just been spraying the APC bits with it as a getaway from scribing. lol
It feels fantastic and the control I have after that Chinese thing where, in the end, you guessed when it was going to deliver paint, in unbelievable. So it's given me a whole new level of confidence with the painting side of things.
It's a lot easier to clean too. Love it. Well worth the dough. [smile]


The scribing and rivet work is already becoming a chore, but I am still plenty enthused to get it done. When I dry fit everything and have a look it's easy to keep going. [smile]

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Looking good Simon really nice Job so far.


Thanks Joe, I'll be glad when it's done, then I can start building. [smile]

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Hey Pete, I'm going to have to build this in the swept wing configuration so it'll fit in the display cabinet. Does that mean it's fixed? I notice there's two sets of the rubber bag thingy's so are they glued? Or can be removed? ... maybe I should read the directions hey? lol

The other thing, if I'm going to store this with the wings swept, does that mean my intakes should be set at supersonic? lol I know I'm sounding pedantic, but I'm doing this in a group build elsewhere, and I don't want some snot-nosed rivet jockey giving me grief. [wink]


I did think about an inflight display, but I'm restricted by height, that would look unbelievable in go-fast mode.

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Hey Pete, I'm going to have to build this in the swept wing configuration so it'll fit in the display cabinet. Does that mean it's fixed? I notice there's two sets of the rubber bag thingy's so are they glued? Or can be removed? ... maybe I should read the directions hey? lol

The other thing, if I'm going to store this with the wings swept, does that mean my intakes should be set at supersonic? lol I know I'm sounding pedantic, but I'm doing this in a group build elsewhere, and I don't want some snot-nosed rivet jockey giving me grief. [wink]


I did think about an inflight display, but I'm restricted by height, that would look unbelievable in go-fast mode.


Oh no I sense the dark side in you lol !

The fit of the bags on my kit wasn't great and need filling, so I don't think they will be able to be made removable as they are out of the box, you might be able to faff about with them to make it happen though.

I went for the deflated bags just to give me the option of playing with the swing wing lol

For the swept wing position, the wings will " overwswing" to 75 degrees to give a bit of space saving when they park them on the deck, I would just go with the deflated bags and keep the swing wing working and then you can put them where you want.

The pictures I have seen of parked tomcats all seem to have the rear ramps slightly open, and the front ones closed, but iif you want my honest opinion, just go with whatever you think looks best, I got tied up in the past trying to make sure everything was accurate, and spent so much time researching that I never got anything finished, I started to stress over the most minute and insignificant things, and in the end I had a total mojo loss that lasted a good 18 months

it came back when I joined here and built my big F-15, I just went for it without worrying too much about the accuracy, and kept things simple by just sorting out the obvious things in the kit, At the end of the build I was really happy that I had captured the "essence" of the real thing, And it cleared the block

Don't worry what anyone else says or thinks about your builds, at the end of the day we are our harshest critics and if you can please yourself with a finished build, it's happy days

Also i have noticed from lurking in other sites that some of these "experts" make a lot of noise about other people's work (and not all of it positive) but don't post much of there own

Sorry for the wall of text, I've just had a couple of cans of red bull and I think I'm buzzing lol !

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I just wanted to add that I agree, finding space to display 1/32 jets is a challenge, imagine what the 1/32 Lancaster will be like
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I think I will sand those panels away too, they don't look too bad, it's just they don't seem to belong there, I'm really glad you are enjoying the new brush, I think the consistency of the performance and longevity, is the main difference between a cheap brush and a decent one, I don't think the difference in performance is too far away when the cheap ones are new, but it falls away after a few months of use, where as the decent just keep on trucking

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Thanks for all that info, that's ok, I just had a bunch of chocolate so I'm on a sugar buzz too. lol Yeah I'm not that bothered with accuracy, I think the intakes look better with the ramps up, so I think I'll do that anyway and they can wallow in their self-misery. lol
I think some of the guys on other sites watch their own youtube videos too much. lol If you get what I mean. I also want to show them a rookie can play hard ball too. One of the notables is in the same group build incidentally. lol He doesn't comment on anyone else's stuff much, funnily. Maybe that's the dark side of me hey? [wink]

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Thanks for all that info, that's ok, I just had a bunch of chocolate so I'm on a sugar buzz too. lol Yeah I'm not that bothered with accuracy, I think the intakes look better with the ramps up, so I think I'll do that anyway and they can wallow in their self-misery. lol
I think some of the guys on other sites watch their own youtube videos too much. lol If you get what I mean. I also want to show them a rookie can play hard ball too. One of the notables is in the same group build incidentally. lol He doesn't comment on anyone else's stuff much, funnily. Maybe that's the dark side of me hey? [wink]


I don't have a problem with the way other people do their builds, whether it's just for fun or a complete and accurate replica down to every last detail, but there are people who,think that you are somehow a not serious or lesser modeller if you don't do the same as them, I have no time for that attitude at all, I have witnessed some really heated debates over aspects of what is at the end of the day just a hobby. There is nothing wrong with pointing out things that need a bit of on a build (it can help us improve) but someguys out there really do belive they are modelling gods lol !

When someone is starting out in the hobby, getting the fundamentals is the most important thing, positive encouragement can only help keep their interest going in a build, telling them that a pitot tube is a scale half inch short doesn't really help lol !

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Yeah they're just control freaks, they are everywhere, and they are boring. [smile]
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Thought I would get on with some of the sub-assemblies, as purely scribing and riveting is going to send me stir crazy after a while. I'm already starting to talk to myself far too much. Anyhoo, I have started on the front wheel well assembly and thanks Tamiya for all those EP marks in hard to get places.
I have conceded this model will be sitting in a display cabinet probably viewed by not many people, especially the underside. Given that I had a go at a few methods of improving the pin marks.
I sanded what I could. And replaced the missing bracing.
I filled with superglue where I couldn't.
And massaged with Mr Cement S elsewhere just to break the shape up a bit.
I will be adding detail and will attempt to cover most of it up anyway.
It looks a bit eeerk now, but I'm hoping the end result won't be so noticeable. The distance shot you can barely see anything anyway. [wink]




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I can imagine the scribing is a bit of a pain, but you are doing the right thing by taking a break and working on another part.
I have to confess I didn't even attempt to fix the hard to reach pin marks, but by the time you stick a bit of plumbing in there it will hide a fair bit.

I was just saying to myself yesterday that talking to yourself is the first sign of madness

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I can imagine the scribing is a bit of a pain, but you are doing the right thing by taking a break and working on another part. I have to confess I didn't even attempt to fix the hard to reach pin marks, but by the time you stick a bit of plumbing in there it will hide a fair bit. I was just saying to myself yesterday that talking to yourself is the first sign of madness Pete


Yeah it already is a bit (the detail), I'm not building a world beater here, I'll leave that to the other  ... beaters.
I don't want to do anything, either, that's going to detract from the overall look. The underbelly is fine for underneath, it get's a bit beat up under there anyway I guess. Up top I'm going to have to have new sharp scribers often (I have plenty), not be lazy and use the scribing template all the time. lol
And lighten my passes up a lot so not to distort the plastic too much.

While I'm doing the wheel wells I may as well knock over the landing gear too. I can always tack on the PE last or when I get it. Considering what you said about how fine they are, and how my big, shaky hands don't like the fine stuff much, I still prefer to do it that way.

I'll proceed with the weapons too. I'm still not sure how I'll load this, or if I can add trebles etc. I have a Trumpeter weapons pack in the shopping basket, the Phantom will get a load up anyway. But I'll make up Option C in the instructions and go from there.

Oh, I think I said in the Phantom GB build thread that in future when I build a modern jet I'm going to attach the pylons early, when it's still plastic on plastic. The ones that make contact with the plane itself that is. I don't think they'll get in the way to much then I can paint and weather them as part of the main thing. I got sick of gluing them back on with the Phantom due to a bad bond because of paint.

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I can imagine the scribing is a bit of a pain, but you are doing the right thing by taking a break and working on another part. I have to confess I didn't even attempt to fix the hard to reach pin marks, but by the time you stick a bit of plumbing in there it will hide a fair bit. I was just saying to myself yesterday that talking to yourself is the first sign of madness Pete


Yeah it already is a bit (the detail), I'm not building a world beater here, I'll leave that to the other  ... beaters.
I don't want to do anything, either, that's going to detract from the overall look. The underbelly is fine for underneath, it get's a bit beat up under there anyway I guess. Up top I'm going to have to have new sharp scribers often (I have plenty), not be lazy and use the scribing template all the time. lol
And lighten my passes up a lot so not to distort the plastic too much.

While I'm doing the wheel wells I may as well knock over the landing gear too. I can always tack on the PE last or when I get it. Considering what you said about how fine they are, and how my big, shaky hands don't like the fine stuff much, I still prefer to do it that way.

I'll proceed with the weapons too. I'm still not sure how I'll load this, or if I can add trebles etc. I have a Trumpeter weapons pack in the shopping basket, the Phantom will get a load up anyway. But I'll make up Option C in the instructions and go from there.

Oh, I think I said in the Phantom GB build thread that in future when I build a modern jet I'm going to attach the pylons early, when it's still plastic on plastic. The ones that make contact with the plane itself that is. I don't think they'll get in the way to much then I can paint and weather them as part of the main thing. I got sick of gluing them back on with the Phantom due to a bad bond because of paint.


I struggled with the etch a little bit on the first main strut, not just attaching but also getting the position right, Eduards drawings on the instructions are not very clear (at least to me lol) but the second strut was a lot easier, to get the etch on and I got the position of the wires much better

I used a brush to put a tiny puddle of accelerator on the strut, then holding the etch with tweezers, I dipped the end into a puddle of loctite gel and fitted one end at a time, it was easier than just trying to use the glue on its own

I Know exactly what you mean about fitting the pylons too mate, super gluing them on at the end is not ideal
As they are very fragile doing it this way, but it can be difficult to do the paint job with them fitted to the plane.

Something I have thought of trying as a solution is 2 part quick drying epoxy (like Araldite) I might try it on my build this time

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