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generalgrog

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So it looks like wally and I have similar taste, as this will be the 2nd USAAF Mark Vb "Trop" spitfire. As I'm kind of late to the build (and I'm waiting on some supplies) I will just start to dive in, working on what I can while I wait on delivery of supplies

Box art:

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I'm hoping someone can help me with a question on the pilots supplied with the kit. There are two pilots, the one that I assume is for the regular non trop spitfire, and the pilot with shorts.

My question is, since I am doing a USAAF version, I'm wondering if these RAF pilot models would work?

I really do want to add the pilot to the build.

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Pilot in shorts:

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More pics coming soon.

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Glad you are going to do the build, even if you have to push it? Maybe I can dig around about the pilot question? Let you know if I find anything.
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This is a flicker photo of an American Pilot. Looks like his flight gear matches the pilot in your kit?? The photo is security
protected so I cannot get the IMG specs on it. Still digging.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24554019@N06/4129312019/

This site has a discussion of RAFT Spitfire pilot uniforms in Africa. I am assuming RAFT = Royal Air Force Tropical

http://www.scale-models.co.uk/threads/raf-pilot-uniform-2-taf.14160/

a page on the RAFT uniform. pictures/colors/details

http://www.britairforce.com/imagepages/raf_uniform_tropical_b.htm

MORE to confuse you with:

http://wallpaperlovers.info/wallpapers/raf-tropical-uniforms

FOUND an EBAY ad for a vintage RAFT uniform--Africa. Its in the Khaki that the forum thread above stated was worn instead of the RAF blue!

Sorry, I got too excited!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-6-WW2-BRITISH-RAF-ROYAL-AIR-FORCE-PILOT-AFRICA-BBI-ELITE-FORCE-HOT-BBI-SS-DID-/171146413095?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item27d91f0427

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generalgrog

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Thanks for the info tladrt48...

I'm thinking I should try to find a 1/48 scale US army air force pilot from another kit. Maybe a P51 kit since thats the plane these pilots swapped into later, and see if I can make it work.  Or at the very least see if it really would matter.

I am thinking the 1st pilot in all that heavy gear is not an option, since I can't see a pilot wearing all that insulation in the north Africa.

I really want to do the African markings with the yellowish and brown pattern, so don't want to go with an Italian campaign spit(before they swapped them out for P51's).

Thanks again for the help...I'll keep looking too.

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Oops, my misunderstanding. The picture of the pilot was simply to show that an American pilot [posing as a Canadian] was in a spitfire
and wearing an RAF outfit. They had to wear the RAF gear or their "cover" would have been blown. The Forum discusses the RAFT clothing
and that it was "borrowed" from the British Army tropical uniform--shorts and short sleeve shirts and that it was khaki.

The EBAY RAFT outfit represents what the RAFT pilots wore in Africa. The only real difference between that EBAY outfit and the kit pilot in shorts
is that the kit pilot has on a short sleeve shirt and no gloves. IF an American pilot operated a Spitfire in Africa, he had to be wearing
what the RAFT pilots wore. He had to "fit in"--I can't believe that they would wear anything different.

These historical subjects are fascinating--hope you find exactly what you need. Your build should be excellent!

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So moving on, to start building.

the photoetch arrived. I'm a bit intimidated by PE since I don't have the bender tools or the Xuron clipper yet. That should be here next week so I'm thinking of holding off on the PE. I may take a chance with it on some of the noncockpit areas to see how it goes...we'll see.

[spitfire10-11003]


[spitfire10-11004]


[spitfire10-11005]

Wing sections went together without a hitch. You have two options with this kit to build the "squared" end or the rounded end. I choose the rounded end since that's what the sqd. has on the montex mask kit. I will have to do a little bit of filling and sanding but I'm used to that and shouldn't be big problem.

[spitfire10-11002]


Dry fitting the fuselage and wings. It fits almost perfectly.

[spitfire10-11001]

I'm going to go ahead and start painting the cockpit and working that while I wait on more supplies.

Still not sure about the pilot...I'll probably use the one supplied with the tropical gear.

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That is some nice PE. I don't have a PE bending tool either. I have some kits in my stash that I have some PE and resin
for. I'll have to get a bending tool at some point, even if it is one of the small ones.

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Ok a little update and a question.

Since I plan on painting up the pilot I am taking advantage of the "open pilot door" option. I had to cut the fuselage piece out. the kit comes with the open door piece, which will be added later.

[004]

First bit of photoetch for the radiator fairing (I'm not going into every bit of PE, but since this is my first time at this....)

[010]

[011]



[012]


This is where my question comes into play. The photetch kit instructed me to cut out a small section out of the rear of the fairing, to prep for a PE insert as shown in the following pic.

My question is... is this piece supposed to be flush with the surface, or is it supposed to be "adjustable" as in on a pivot.

(edit....NM I found the answer..and yes it is adjustable.)

[015]



[016]


[017]

I'm kind of enjoying the PE piece of this. I was surprised at that, since things seemed quite fiddly and frustrating watching the Challenger build.

Also..I'm not worried about the less than perfect fit of the PE fairing insert and the plastic fairing. I still need to do a slight bit of trimming and I think if I need to I can use putty to fill gaps.

More to come..

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Please remove this post..for redundancy

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Those details always make me want to get to a kit with PE. Those grills look exactly like pics of the real thing,
really nice!

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OK another small update.

I ran into my first bit of trouble dealing with the photoetch. :-(

So, while I was trimming down the headrest, I was holding the the tiny plastic disc in my tweezers and it "snapped" out of the tweezers onto my perfectly matching tan carpet to be lost forever.

So you will see in the cockpit that headrest is missing for now. I'll get out my green stuff modeling putty and make a new one, but still a pain.

Secondly as I was folding up the PE cockpit seat, I could not get the folded edges to glue, and I ended up bending it.

Therefore I made an executive decision to go with the stock seat, and to be honest...I think it looks just fine.

ON to the pics.

The top of the back cockpit (the little tan tab) is where I'm going to have to sculpt a replacement head rest.

[004-1]


Here is the messed up PE seat....

[006]

[005]


Here is the stock seat, and I think it looks fine.

[007]


As you can see I've decided to go with the pilot in shorts, and again I can't see that I will miss the PE seat. I may add the PE seat side details to the stock seat, it all depends on whether or not you can actually see the sides. This is possible seeing I plan on leaving the cockpit door open.

[009]



I'm going to try and complete the fuselage and cockpit tomorrow. Maybe even close up the fuselage.

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You have carried on fine in spite of the PE problems. I still have not used any and it will be interesting to see
what I manage to muck up when I do. Everything looking good!

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Allright I have completed all of the photoetch for the fuselage...all that I plan on using anyway.
In this update I've included my method of how I sculpted a new headrest for the one that went missing into my carpet last week.

Fuselage cockpit PE and bits.

[001-1]

Left side closeup

[002]

I think the once painted up the detail will be real nice. It may not show up on the internet but I'm thinking years from now, when I'm looking at the model all the extra detail will stand out.

OK on to the sculpted headrest.

I used 3/16" (4.8 mm) styrene tube for the base, and Games workshop modeling putty.

After slicing a piece off of the end of the rod, I trimmed and sanded it to get both sides level.

[003]

[011-1]


[004-2]


[005-1]


My cut piece of sculpting putty

[012-1]


Knead the two colors to get a good mix. I always have a piece of plastic handy with some water to keep the putty from drying to fast.

[013]


Some pictures of the final result. The idea is to fill the depression of the base, and start to "pull" the modelling putty over the sides so that it looks like stretched leather.

[015-1]


[016-1]

[017-1]


The whole procedure took about 10 minutes to do.

I'm pretty happy with the results. Can't wait to get some paint on it to see how realistic it looks.

If your wondering how a noob, like me, knows how to do this, it's because I used to do a lot of this kind of thing when I was into miniature wargaming years ago. I was glad that I had some putty left in my freezer and it was still good! I think that's also why I am really interested in painting up the pilot, which I plan to start on tomorrow.


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That's using the noggin to solve the problem GG. Its great when we bring skills from other interests into the modeling hobby
to get things done. Excellent.

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Allright finished painting the pilot, and the interior and cockpit.

I have to say painting this pilot is the hardest figure I have ever had to paint. The difference in the way these historical miniatures are cast is very realistic as opposed to the "heroic" scale i'm used to.

I'm not ecstatic with the way the pilot came out, but since I'm rusty and not used to this type of sculpt, I can live with it. Also, most of the fig is going to be covered by the fuselage anyway..I'm not really tore up over it. I'll chalk it up to a good practice figure.

Pilot painted with a mix of Reaper, Tamiya, Games workshop, vallejo, and oil paints.

[007-1]

[009-1]

[006-1]

[008-1]

Cockpit..

[004-3]


[001-2]

[003-1]


[012-3]


Moving on to fuselage and wing join....Finally!!

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