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sabu

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I'm trying to find the closest Tamiya equivalent to Dark Ghost Grey and Light Ghost Grey.  I understand you can mix something like 3 different shades of Tamiya colours to get this but I am definitely not interested in that - I'd like a 'good enough' match to use for both colours.  I know that Model Master makes these exact tones and if I could actually find them in my local hobby shops I would get them, but I have visited 4 so far and they either don't carry this line of paints or are sold out of these colours.  This is basically US Navy paint scheme on most if not all jets for the last 20+ years.  This site shows the difference ie. not a lot: http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/f-14/f-14_profile03.shtml

Thanks again for any help!
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Well, first off, that chart also "adjusts" the paint colors you listed for "scale fade" or "weather effects"--that is a very subjective thing to do IMHO. When i googled the Dark Ghost Grey with the FS # [Federal Standard #], I found that color is made By Model Master [which you stated already], but also MIG, and Vallego. I am going to list the links below. Rather than trying to mix the colors from Tamiya paint, why not just order the paint from MIG or Vallego. Or, take shades of gray and some white Tamiya paint and play around with them? airbrush some onto a piece of scrap styrene and try to get a close match to the images you see online. Keep these things in mind---the people that make those charts are guessing [unless they have the equipment to mix Federal standard colors themselves]. Even then, when they try to make a weathered scale model version of the paint, it is subjective at best. Weathering depends on when, where, how the plane was used, the environment [s] they flew in, maintenance the plane was given [the deck crew usually goes over the plane with spray cans of the FS color and hits random spots all over the plane--try to replicate that?]. The age of the plane.THEN.....when you look at colors on a computer monitor or a hard copy color swatch in front of you, you have to take in to account the surrounding light, the color accuracy of your monitor [and whether or not you have the hardware to balance your monitors color properly], YOUR VISION and color acuity. If ALL of these factors could be accounted for, you'd be insane by the time you tracked each one down and verified the technical accuracy. ON top of all these factors, you have to consider your preshading technique/color, primer color, post shading, then your weathering--bleaching, oil stains,panel lines, etc., etc., etc. of your model. As a scale modeler you have the authority to do ANYTHING you like in your builds and finishes. Personally, I get as close as possible to my satisfaction and let it go from there. I also have the advantage of a good relationship with my local hobby shop. If they can order an item for me, they do. That way I avoid shipping costs. Once you order the FS colors from another manufacturer, you can spray some on styrene, then take your Tamiya Colors and mix until you get a match? That way you should have the closest hand mixed color in Tamiya paint IMHO. Good luck!

http://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/474-fs-36320-dark-compass-ghost-gray.html

https://www.scalehobbyist.com/manufacturers/Vallejo_Acrylics/Paints/dark-ghost-grey-fs36320/VLJ00071120/product.php

NOTE: I did not google the light ghost gray and its FS number. You will probably find links for it when you google it also

BTW--I have nothing against anyone who searches for the most accurate colors or any other aspect of a model possible for their work. That is truly one privilege of the hobby.
The level of research and accuracy is up to you and no one else. I faced many of the same issues in photography when I had a studio. Again--best wishes!

Oops--I failed to toss in some links to other conversion charts. The link below shows two PDF charts--fine print--that are pretty extensive. I did not detail search them. Note that you will have to scroll pages to find Tamiya colors cross matched. many pages do not list Tamiya because Tamiya does not make an equivalent. I will try to dig up a chart I found a long time ago that lists FS color numbers and then shows the closest matches in several paint brands in a column and gives you the % of match. Easier to search? yep. Ill give that a look and come back with it if I can find? you might have a look in the forums on Genessis under "painting"? links to other charts are there I believe.

https://intscalemodeller.com/viewtopic.php?t=9

OK-I'm an idiot---did not realize that you posted this in the painting forum thread already!! you may have already searched this thread?

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Here is a web page that Bob listed in this forum thread. looks useful?

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_fs.htm

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sabu

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Thanks Ted.  I didn't want to mix any Tamiya paints together to come up with the colour I needed.  My fear was that whatever amount I mixed, I would eventually need more and then I would have a very hard time matching the previous colour perfectly.  I did search the forum for information on this but it's difficult to find exactly what you're looking for with the search function.  The chart from Bob that you noted is helpful.

After traveling approximately 50km from where I live, I have finally found a store that not only carries Model Master paints, but also has Dark and Light Ghost Grey in stock.  Given the amount I'll likely need and the baffling rarity of these paints in my area, I purchased 3 bottles of each [wink]

Thanks for the detailed reply - appreciated as always!
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I'm glad you found a source because you are spot on about mixing your own! Never fails, you never make enough [you make plenty then turn the pot over and lose it about halfway through]. then you are screwed!
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Gadjung

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AS-26 Light ghost grey

AS-25 Dark ghost grey

From Tamiya. Or I don't understand something? 
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TedUSA

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Lol. I didn't even check to see if Tamiya made those colors! DOH!

??? Does AS=acrylic spray ???

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Who knows. Maybe acrylic spray, maybe aircraft spray.
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TedUSA

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It's acrylic spray (rattle can). You could decant it of course.

https://www.google.com/search?q=AS-26+Light+ghost+grey&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

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sabu

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Hey sorry I should have specified that I don't want spray cans...I really have no idea why these exist without 'normal' paint counterparts...they're horrible, but I was aware Tamiya made them.  Yes you can decant them but I have no intention of going through that hassle.  Alas, I've finally found the paints I required from Model Master.  Will be using them as soon as I get another rainy day here...right now the weather is too good; I'm off to my boat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sabu
Hey sorry I should have specified that I don't want spray cans...I really have no idea why these exist without 'normal' paint counterparts...they're horrible, but I was aware Tamiya made them.  Yes you can decant them but I have no intention of going through that hassle.  Alas, I've finally found the paints I required from Model Master.  Will be using them as soon as I get another rainy day here...right now the weather is too good; I'm off to my boat


Not sure anyone wants to decant rattle cans! Not me either. I use Tamiya almost exclusively and I sort of knew that the AS meant Acrylic Spray. I've wondered before why they make a paint in a spray but not in bottles??

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