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wimve1960

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Hey everyone,

Although I did not plan to take part in the GB as I had to go abroad for several months for work - right in the period of the GB - I simply could not resist. It is also my first group build so please be gentle [biggrin]

As my mission abroad ended sooner than expected I decided to take part anyway despite it already being late in the build. I might just be able to pull it off (assuming some positive stress might help me along). Anyway, it is for fun and should I not be able to get things done in time, I still would have had the fun of building this great kit.

I saw this kit at a bargain price a week or two ago and simply could not resist. I immediately thought of this kit as being a good GB subject, so here I am.

The kit is the 'clear' edition so I am still trying to decide if I want to make the clear or normal version. I have been playing around with the idea of using the clear parts for one side and paint the other side up normally. There are however quite a few pin marks on the clear parts as Tamiya used the same tool for both the clear and normal grey parts so I will probably decide what to do when I get there.

Alright, the obligatory pictures ...

Box Art:


Instructions and some aftermarket Eduard PE (could not find the Tamiya one)


Sprues:




Decals:


Some scratch building materials (as I could not get my hands on the Tamiya PE, I decided to create the rigging myself):



Comments are always welcome!!
Wim.

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wimve1960

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To start off, I already have a question. There is a lot of discussion regarding the interior colour of the cockpit.

I have already seen a lot of different answers/opinions but I would like to get it as right as possible.

Tamyia proposes a mix of XF5 : 1 + XF21 : 3 + XF65 : 1 (respectively being Flat Green, Sky and Field Grey). I have not tested this yet so it might be ok. I also have Vallejo 71.010 Interior Green but I have the impression that it might be a bit too yellow. I also have AKAN's Emerald Green but that would seem to be a bit too grey ...

Suggestions would be highly appreciated!

Thanks,
Wim.

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Okay, first, its very nice to have your participation! Welcome to the group.

Second, you will find that we are not going to judge you as rivet counters here. If you find a color that pleases your eyes and looks like you think it should, then that's the color you go with. I've seen so many different shades of cockpit green that it doesn't even phase me as to which is correct. That doesn't matter to me personally. Its the love and craftsmanship you put into it that make the difference.

Although there are many paint manufacturers out there to choose from, you should just make your own mind up about how you want to artistically represent your build. I mix my own colors from artists acrylics and Model Master enamels. I just go with what looks right. After all, the shade, vibrancy, and tones will all change with how you weather it.

If you must have the absolute correct color, you may just end up frustrating yourself. Modelling is an art and it all depends on the artist when all is said and done.

I don't mean to tell you that you don't need that color, I'm just saying it isn't as important as you may think that it is. For example; if you choose a brighter color than recommended, but then decide to use a brown wash instead of a black one, the tones will change and that brighter green will be subdued and appear more warm afterwards and not bright green anymore.

I am sure someone probably does know what exact color you should use, but ultimately, you may not like the way it looks after you've weathered it. Always keep the bigger picture in mind and trust your instincts. They will serve you better than any advice we here can give. I've seen it in action, time and time again.

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Hi Wim, nice to have on bord :-). Looks like you are setup for a very interesting build. Looking forward to see it all come together.
I can't help you with the color question, but a work as Mike... go with the flow and try to make a fun and nice looking plane ;-).

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Welcome on board. Ver y interesting Plane. I am excited how this will look.
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wimve1960

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Thank you all, that is some really sound advice. Indeed, I forgot about the weathering.

The reason I was asking was primarily to get some degree of accuracy but also I am a daltonist (mild degree of colour blindness, remember those tests at school where you had detect a number in a collection of coloured circles), for me situated in nuances of brown and green [rolleyes] so I am challenged to judge anything in that colour spectrum ... what might appear a nice darker green to me, might be as bright as the sun to you [crazy] ... meaning, completely off.

Anyway, I'll do a few tests and apply some weathering and see where it leads me.

Regarding the kit itself, it is really fantastic and I have been wanting to build this for ages. The quality is really really good, crispy details and all. I have spent half a day yesterday researching and reading articles, build reviews, history and so on. For me already half of the fun. Also, making a plan of attack as I will be using some Eduard PE was pretty much necessary. The Eduard instructions are usually pretty much ok but in this case they are rather complicated and not always as accurate and clear. I probably will not be using everything as some parts will be hidden anyway.

As today is a bank holiday here in Belgium, I might actually be able to get some work done so I hope to already post some pictures.

Cheers,
Wim.

By the way, this forum is sooo inspirational, I have seen some really amazing things here. I am actually following each and every thread ... good reading for when on the train to work [wink]

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WELCOME!
That kit and accessories looks really nice. I echo Mike about the color nuances. with so many variables in viewing color. Walk around pictures, what type camera, what settings,what was the lighting where the plane was photographed, was it indoor outdoor, what type of indoor light, "official" color charts, color adjusted to scale, different monitors pictures are viewed on, etc., etc. Seriously you could go bonkers. Might be best to take a piece of  flat sheet styrene or sprue and just test Tamiya's color combo. ask someone local to review the color?
What ever you decide is fine since the entire project is about YOU and your choices. I have deliberately built some aspects of a model wrong becasue I like a particular "look" on some detail. 99.9% of the people viewing your completed build won't have a clue anyway.
Enjoy, best wishes!

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wimve1960

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Thanks Mike and Ted. I finally settled on using Vallejo's Interior Green. Doing a bit more research, it seemed to be closed to what they used in most British WW2 fighters and bombers. I also feel that this colour would give the better results when weathering ... so settled.

I tried it out on a spare fuselage part and it looks pretty much ok. In daylight ...


In artificial light ...


Anyway, as you can see, I was able to already get a bit of work in today. I started priming some parts and added some little bits and bobs of PE in, prepared some cockpit parts for PE. Some are so tiny that I am still wondering how I managed not to cut my fingers.

Tiny bits of PE ...


Had to remove the lower one of the boxes and a tiny bit of a raised area for it to accept the PE - remember the fingers ...


And here are the boys from left to right Mr. Pilot, Mr. Radioman and Mr. Gunner. This should be an interesting exercise as I have never done any figures ... read the forums I guess [wink]


Finally, I was considering making this one side clear and the other side 'normal' but I decided against it as the clear part is truly riddled with ejector pin marks. I tried removing them but it hurts the clear part so much I simply cannot get it right. Tried different sorts of abbrasives, compounds but it just does not work. Photo of the pinmarks ...


Already everyone thanks for the advice!

Cheers,
Wim.

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Welcome to the GB Wim. Nice kit you have there and I think you've done the right thing ditching the clear version. It's a gimmick I'm not particularly fond of personally for my part.
Interior colour looks fine to me, as I'm part of the 99.9% Ted speaks of that wouldn't know the difference anyway. lol
Keep up the good work. [smile]

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Haha, I'm part of the 99,9% too ;-). I also used the Vallejo interior green... works just fine for me. Nice progress!

Edit: and those EPM's are ridiculous, good call on skipping that gimmick.

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wimve1960

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Cheers Simon and Fabian, I am now officially part of the 99.9% club too.

Anyway, was able to get some work in, mainly the interior colour and some work on the pilot's chair too (dryfitted for photo purposes).

The pilot's chair fitted to the base plate of the framework and painted in the interior colour. The base plate itself does require a metal finish so that will be one of the next steps. Not for the heavy handed the pilot's seat ...




The other parts of the cockpit frame ...


The fuselage halves now both in interior green. Not fully finished yet as it also requires the canvas to in a different colour.


And finally, the main colour of the flight suits for the boys.


Thanks for all the good advice and also thanks for watching.
Wim.

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You are doing terrific Wim! Absolutely wonderful so far. Trust your instincts my friend. They will serve you well and remember; this is an art and you are the artist. Have fun or there's no point to it at all.
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wimve1960

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You are doing terrific Wim! Absolutely wonderful so far. Trust your instincts my friend. They will serve you well and remember; this is an art and you are the artist. Have fun or there's no point to it at all.

Thank you. And fun is indeed the key factor!

I got some bench time in today (actually quite a bit). I primarily focused on detailing and first bits of weathering. The cockpit is a project in itself and requires a lot of time to get it right but ... I'm enjoying it! It has been a long time since I was able to do some modelling and I am doing a lot of things that I have never done before.But you guys here are an inspiration!!

Anyway, some progress pictures ...

The inner side of the Swordfish shows a tarp section. I painted this with Tamiya XF-55 Deck Tan and then mottled it with Tamiya XF-64 Red Brown to simulate the original base paint that shines through. After that some Mig Interior Wash to better blend it in and give it a bit of a dirtier look.


As I had to wait for some paint to dry, I started with the engine and gave it a black primer.


Next up a first dry brushing of cockpit parts (including adding some PE). These parts still need to get a wash as the silver/chrome dry brushing is a bit 'too into your face'.






And finally, the boys got a bit of love also (they still need a lot of it ...).


Cheers and thanks for watching ... comments welcome!
Wim.

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Very nice progress and great attention to all the little details. It sure looks like a lot of fun :-)
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Those pilots are starting to look pretty good. I also agree with Fabian. Lookin' good.  [smile]
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