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TedUSA

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Hello Marc,

Well, I got a dose of DECAL DISASTER yesterday on my IP for the Corsair GB. I truly feel your pain a small bit except that my problem was at least inside the cockpit. Still thinking about your problem and hoping you can get past it somehow!

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Hello Marc,

Well, I got a dose of DECAL DISASTER yesterday on my IP for the Corsair GB. I truly feel your pain a small bit except that my problem was at least inside the cockpit. Still thinking about your problem and hoping you can get past it somehow!

Sorry to hear about that Ted,  I guess Pete is right and we all go through this stuff at various stages and levels.  I'm not going to give up.

Here's the plan:

I recoated the Spitfire with AquaGloss.  And I pulled out a ruined model to test decals application

The AquaGloss had cured now for more than 24 hrs.  Tonight i will test using Pete's advise as a guide on the old model.  If that goes well, I will try a roundel on the Spitifre. 
I ended up painting on the walk around lines on the wings, only regret here is I have lost my "Walk Around" words from the destroyed decals.  I'm not going to worry about it, since I consider this a learning model anyway.

Are you able to salvage your interior decal? 

Pete, thanks so much for the detailed advise.  Printing it out to keep next to me as I work tonight.

To be honest, I have gotten to the point with this Spitfire that I just want it to be over and move on the Corsair.  I haven't finished the last 4 models I started because of various disasters, so I do want to finish the Spit- for bad or ugly.

 
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Hello there!
As a new boy to the forum,I was trying to pluck up courage,to ask if anyone had trouble applying decals on future.I had just finished my 1/32 Revell spitfire,nicely painted,glossed,left for 24 hrs.I laid down a line of decal solution for the walk outboard line and there was a lovely white line in the paintwork! PANIC! I quickly washed it off,re applied future,left it again and re applied decals.It worked better but still left a slight stain.After every thing had dried,I wiped over the model with a moist cloth which helped.After varnishing the staining has nearly gone.
I don't know what happened but I will be very wary next time!
Anyway,love the Genessis club,and am amazed by the models being made.I may pluck up courage and show my attempts,if I can work out how to upload my pictures.(I am a bit of a techno phobe,or just stupid!)
Cheers for now.
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Hello Marc,

Well, I got a dose of DECAL DISASTER yesterday on my IP for the Corsair GB. I truly feel your pain a small bit except that my problem was at least inside the cockpit. Still thinking about your problem and hoping you can get past it somehow!

Sorry to hear about that Ted,  I guess Pete is right and we all go through this stuff at various stages and levels.  I'm not going to give up.

Here's the plan:

I recoated the Spitfire with AquaGloss.  And I pulled out a ruined model to test decals application

The AquaGloss had cured now for more than 24 hrs.  Tonight i will test using Pete's advise as a guide on the old model.  If that goes well, I will try a roundel on the Spitifre. 
I ended up painting on the walk around lines on the wings, only regret here is I have lost my "Walk Around" words from the destroyed decals.  I'm not going to worry about it, since I consider this a learning model anyway.

Are you able to salvage your interior decal? 

Pete, thanks so much for the detailed advise.  Printing it out to keep next to me as I work tonight.

To be honest, I have gotten to the point with this Spitfire that I just want it to be over and move on the Corsair.  I haven't finished the last 4 models I started because of various disasters, so I do want to finish the Spit- for bad or ugly.

 


No worries Marc, I just hope it helps mate.

Quote "I do want to finish the Spit- for bad or ugly"

Back when I first returned to the hobby I set my standards far too high and as soon as I made a mistake or encountered a problem I binned the kit (literally) i became very disillusioned with the hobby and wasn't having a good time at all.

Eventually I decided that no matter what happened during a build I would finish the kit.

I stayed true to my word. Now I produced some abominations along the way lol (and some decent ones too)
But more importantly i gained experience and learned if not just to fix them but how to avoid them.

The decision you made In the quote I posted above is the key that will take you to the next level, sure there will be hiccups along the way but I promise you that If you stick to that you will see improvements with every build.

Let us know how it goes Marc, and feel free to give me a shout (I don't always see the questions this far down on the forum so by all means send me a private message if you need a quick reply)

I don't presume to be the sage of all modelling know how Lol ! But if i can help then I'm more than willing

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Hello there!
As a new boy to the forum,I was trying to pluck up courage,to ask if anyone had trouble applying decals on future.I had just finished my 1/32 Revell spitfire,nicely painted,glossed,left for 24 hrs.I laid down a line of decal solution for the walk outboard line and there was a lovely white line in the paintwork! PANIC! I quickly washed it off,re applied future,left it again and re applied decals.It worked better but still left a slight stain.After every thing had dried,I wiped over the model with a moist cloth which helped.After varnishing the staining has nearly gone.
I don't know what happened but I will be very wary next time!
Anyway,love the Genessis club,and am amazed by the models being made.I may pluck up courage and show my attempts,if I can work out how to upload my pictures.(I am a bit of a techno phobe,or just stupid!)
Cheers for now.


Hi Bish !

No need to be worried about asking anything mate, we all rely on each other for help, tips and techniques.

And definitely post some pics of your builds, we all like to see each other's work.

I think there's a "how to post pics" tutoriol in the aircraft modern final reveals section (I think it's at the top)

You need an image hosting site (photobucket, Flickr etc) then just upload your pics to that.

Select the pic you want to post , and assuming you use Photobucket, you copy the IMG code (in Photobucket it's the bottom line in the box that is at the right of the screen where your selected pic is)

Once you've copied that you then come to the forum and paste it Into whatever you want. for example if it's a ww2 plane you have completed then you start a new topic in the ww2 aircraft section
Give it a title (hasegamiya 1/48 spitfire or whatever)

Then in the big box under that you can type a few words and paste your image code In)

When you paste it you will only see the "code" but after you hit the "send reply" button the image will appear

Im making it sound much harder than it is lol (I'm not very tech savvy either) but if I can do it I'm sure you can.

You can always do test in the general chat section, just call it "help posting images" or something that way you can see if it works and also other members will see and be able to help if it doesn't .

Sorry to waffle on lol !

And as I said, don't ever be concerned about posting, there are a good bunch of lads on here and all will be happy to help

Pete
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I got a few of the decals on now.  It was difficult, but I am taking my time, just doing one at a time.  I did find that these decals will not release from the paper if I use normal temp water- I had to get hot from the tap.  The setting solution does not seam to be staining like it did before except in one spot and I am hoping that will disappear when I apply a little more gloss. 

No another question arises:  I can clearly see the clear edges of the decals in the light.  Will these settle in with more setter, or will a final dullcoat take care of that?

I am exhausted after applying 5 decals.  I feel a little stressed.  The rest will wait until tomorrow.
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Thanks for the info Brundledonk,when I have done my chores for the weekend,will give it a go!
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After the decals, do I apply another gloss coat then a sludge wash, or do I apply a dullcoat then sludge wash.  I know after weathering there is a final dull coat.
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Yes apply a gloss coat then a sludge wash. you want to seal those decals first with the gloss, or if you want a real dirty plane seal it with a matt coat but with a matt coat the sludge will stick in the rough surface giving you a more dirty look.
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Wise words from many here.

Don't give up if you don't achieve the perfection you dreamed of.

All of my models have 'faults' but I still love 'em - warts and all!

I always look for an opportunity to turn a flaw into a 'happy accident' and sometimes I even manage to pull it off. But, the most important thing is to see an accident as a 'lesson learnt'. It all adds to your experience and these experiences will make you a more confident modeller.

All the best.

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Wise words from many here. Don't give up if you don't achieve the perfection you dreamed of. All of my models have 'faults' but I still love 'em - warts and all! I always look for an opportunity to turn a flaw into a 'happy accident' and sometimes I even manage to pull it off. But, the most important thing is to see an accident as a 'lesson learnt'. It all adds to your experience and these experiences will make you a more confident modeller. All the best.


I really like what you wrote about loving them, warts and all!! LOL. so true, so true.

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Just been catching up on the different threads and saw this one, the reason why there are issues with decal solutions on acrylic clear coats is because the decal softening solutions all contain ammonia, which if you read the instructions on the back of the Johnsons/Pledge products is the recommended method of removal from your kitchen floor, decal solutions especially Solv-set is a very hot product, it will eat into the surface of your paint, the method I use is to apply the decals dipping them whilst still on the backing in a little dish of the solution, or even add some solution to the decal water, when in place on the model brush solution sparingly over the decal only and not on the surrounding painted areas. Have never had an issue using this method.
Hope this helps

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I did not know that about the decal solutions containing ammonia, but it makes perfect sense. The ammonia would soften the decal material, eventually allowing it to "conform". I also realized that I was not applying enough PLEDGE on my models. In a recent step by step Bob talks about several coats of PLEDGE [KLEAR?] before decaling. I had been just using a misty coat followed by a single cover coat. Most of the time no problems but some intermittently.

I did try dipping the decals in a decal solution once rather than water and it seemed to work that time. Interesting, very interesting. Thanks for the info and pointer.

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