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Weathering Wash : Panel Lines, Streaking and Fading : Tutorial

 

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Thank you Bobby - excellent tutorial.  I presume the same technique is used for acrylic based washes (and water rather than an oil washes/odourless metho combination).  If I understood correctly, one should do the base colour etc and seal that first with a sealer (say, acrylic gloss if I'm using acrylic paints), before doing the wash etc, is that correct?

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Hi dpastern

If you used an acrylic wash onto an acrylic surface the acrylic wash could reactivate your acrylic paint work and smudge it, this will depend on what acrylic wash you used (water wash will be fine).

“Think of oil and water”, and then mix them into a cup, what will happen is they will separate with the oil at the top and the water at the bottom, oil and water just simply do not mix.

This is why using an oil wash in this tutorial video over and acrylic surface will not reactivate the acrylic paint work we have because our wash is oil based and our paint work is water based.

So they simply will not mix together.

If I was to get say Tamiya X-20a as my thinners what will happen is the X-20a will reactivate our paint work and start to eat back down to the plastic.

Not only that when it comes down to blending in things like shadows, grime etc. etc., I do believe enamels and oils beat acrylics hands down

Hope this helps and feel free to ask some more and let me know what wash you are using as it can be a different story for different washes.

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Thanks Bob - that makes perfect sense.  Best way to learn is to ask.  I've got a couple of model kits now, just waiting on some more modelling tools/gear and paints before I start.  I'll probably start the smallest kit first to ease back into things (Hasegawa Messerschmidt B109F from memory) and work from there onwards!

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Hi Bobby

Can I use something like the Flory models washes in the same way? I have tried using it by painting it all over and wiping it off but it seems to finish up looking grubby and the effect somehow out of scale

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The Flory models wash is called a sludge wash, and is an old simple recipe, it is simply paint pigments and when it comes to picking the best, "oils" will beat paint pigments hands down when it comes to blending and making streaks plus more.

It’s strange you ask this as I am doing a video right now on sludge washes for the September Show.

I now Phil try's to advertise his wash as being the all and end all of all weathering and nothing else exists, and that he shows the Flory wash as being able to do streaks, spraying it you name it he tries to get his wash to do every kind of weathering, but you nether see him use oils or enamel washes, sadly the sludge was has its place in modelling the same as oils and enamels have their place.

simply put the Flory sludge wash is not fine enough to do the kind of blending and streaking that oils and enamels can do, the Flory sludge wash is a nice easy way of filling in panel lines for beginners up, which is going to sound like I’m just saying this because of who I am, but just watch this September show and see what is in the sludge wash, try both out and see for yourself,

Sorry if this sounds like I’m having a go at you Steve, I’m not its just there is so much more out there in the world of weathering over than Phil’s solo wash.

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Thanks Bob

Understand where you're coming from and look forward to the sludge wash video

I think I've been feeling somewhat inadequate because everyone else thinks the Flory wash is fantastic and I just can't get results I like

I'll get some oils and give it a try

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Steve

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I found a place where to buy the Mig Production Oils but they are out of the odorless turpentine. Anything else I can use ? Like Weber Turpenoid ?
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